Re: Hellenic DD / EUROVISION RULES 1

[Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it>]

Hallo Jiri,

this post of yours looks absolutely explanatory of the difference between
Representative- and Direct Democracy.

On 2000 at Athens Delphi by establishing WDDM I supported, then like
now, the DD idea of gathering more and more persons able to represent
just themselves.  Unfortunately, the DD idea is still burdened by people
who keep on managing to disguise under the label of  Direct Democracy
the old and odd representative democracy they are moulded with.

Regards,

antonio


Jiri Polak wrote:
> Hello,
> I just want to pont out that the idea of D E-V is different from that
> of the WDDM established in 2000. The WDDM consisted of a few persons
> who represented only themselves. I was sceptical from the beginning
> but cooperated none the less. The D E-V, as I see it, has a much more
> solid base: It is meant to be an association of established
> ORGANISATIONS. This will probably require a somewhat different rules.
> We have already a corner-stone - the Charter. It goes without saying
> that nothing is fixed for ever. Development might show that some
> changes would be desirable in future. I believe we all are
> open-minded. But there must be some point of departure and I believe
> our preparatory work is promising and solid.
> Sincerely,                               Jiri
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Giuseppe Strano
>     *To:* tobuz ; Kevin Lone
>     <kevin.lone(at)wanadoo.fr> ; Antonio Rossin
>     <rossin(at)tin.it> ; George Kokkas <geoko(at)otenet.gr> ;
>     jiri..polak <jiri.polak(at)swipnet.se>
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:13 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: Hellenic DD / EUROVISION RULES 1
>
>     1) I don't agree with rules 1 and 2.
>
>     2) I never liked rules establish  primary or special roles for
>     founding members, especially when the new members coming in a
>     second time should have less power than the founders.
>
>     3) Founding an international network of dd people and orgs is a
>     very good thing, maybe a must for the growth of all the dd
>     movement. But only if the rules are themselves dd rules. I already
>     done big errors in the past sayng yes at "provisional" rules not
>     dd for the sake of unity, or other "pragmatical" needs or under
>     pressure of lack of time. So if these are the initial set of rules
>     of this  DD-eurovision I'm sorry but I will let you continue
>     without me.
>
>     The means by wich we build the direct democracy are crucial ones.
>     We cannot build democracy forgetting it.
>
>     4) I understand that maybe someone of you is thinking about next
>     european elections, but I cannot be able to see how such not dd
>     network (indeed it seems to me only an electoral trick), could be
>     useful for a real step toward a better spreading of dd ideas.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     (as usual sorry for my "english".)
>     Pino strano.
>
>     Il giorno 03/feb/09, alle ore 01:52, tobuz ha scritto:
>
> >     ---------- Initial Header -----------
> >
> >     From      : Jiri Polak
> >     To          : George Kokkas's Law Office
> >     Cc          : "Iason Yannis Schizas (Schizas.com)"
> >     iason.schizas(at)schizas.com,tobuz
> >     Date      : Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:19:37 +0100
> >     Subject : Re: Hellenic  DD
> >     Dear George,
> >     I think that we leave it to you whether you will invite them or
> >     not. Obviously, you know the situation in Greece better than me
> >     or Federico.
> >     Sincerely,                             Jiri
> >     **************************************************************
> >     I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW UP A COMMON LINE TO AVOID MESSING UP
> >     EVERYTHING, THAT IS :
> >     1
> >     IN THE DD-EUROVISION THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE FOUNDING MOVEMENT FOR
> >     EACH COUNTRY
> >     2
> >     THESE MOVEMENTS WILL COHORDINATE ALL OTHER MOVEMENTS IN THE
> >     SINGLE COUNTRIES IN THE FOLLOWING WAY
> >     2.1
> >     EACH SINGLE MOVEMENT WILL TAKE PART IN LOCAL ELECTIONS WITH ITS
> >     OWN NAME AND LOGO, INSTEAD FOR NATIONAL/EUROPEAN ELECTION THEY
> >     TAKE PART WITH THE NATIONAL DD-NAME AND LOGO, THESE BEING
> >     UNDERSTOOD AS NAME AND LOGO OF THE NATIONAL MOVEMENT WHICH IS A
> >     FOUNDING MEMBER IN THE DD-EUROVISION.
> >     2.2
> >     IN OTHER WORDS THERE SHOULD BE ONLY MEMBER FOR EACH SINGLE
> >     COUNTRY IN THE DD-EUROVISION.
> >     ALL OTHER MOVEMENTS FROM THE SAME COUNTRY SHALL FOLLOW UP THE
> >     ORGANIZATION GIVEN BY THE MOVEMENT WHICH IS A MEMBER IN
> >     DD-EUROVISION.
> >     ALL THE RULES, OF COURSE SHALL COMPLY WITH MAJORITY RULE, BOTH
> >     INSIDE EACH SINGLE COUNTRY AND INSIDE DD-EUROVISION.
> >
> >     THE ABOVE IS RATHER CONFUSED, I KNOW, WE SHOULD TRY AND IMPROVE
> >     IT SO THAT WE CAN PRESENT IT IN PRAG AS ONE OF THE ORGANIZATION
> >     RULES.
> >     NOW...YOU IMPROVE IT BOYS
> >     FRED
>
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