Re: [WDDM] Swiss model

[Bruce Eggum <bruce.eggum(at)gmail.com>]

Dear Mr. Rossin,

I am still perplexed at what your difficulty is. I never claimed to be a “spokesperson for WDDM.” As a member of WDDM I certainly have the right to state my opinion. Are the "Founding Members ofWDDM" the only  members of your WDDM?

What discussions you had in Delphi leading up to founding WDDM is grand. But the discussions after Delphi are also important.

Based on many many long discussions on WDDM yahoo, later on http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/ Swiss DD has been used as an example of DD continueously. If you Google Direct Democracy you will find reference to Swiss DD. I suspect if you use your own Italian Search Engine, you will find the same references.

 Swiss DD exemplifies the WDDM model, I again quote; “PREAMBLE  We, members of the Continuing International Congress on Direct Democracy (CICDD) decided during our second Congress in Delphi, Greece, the birthplace of democracy, to establish a formal Worldwide Direct Democracy Movement. We dedicate ourselves to work toward the introduction of Direct Democracy (DD) into the representative systems, through Citizens Initiatives and Referendums, and, ultimately, transform them peacefully to true democracies of the people. We pledge ourselves to remain faithful to genuine democratic principles as expressed in our Mission Statement. We aim to inspire others to join us and help to develop principles and methods leading to direct democracy (DD) of the people. We have been and will remain dedicated members of CICDD and share our ideals and proposals with all participants in the Network, individuals, and families.

The reference to Swiss DD Citizens Initiatives and Referendums has always been a physically working example. This shows people it can be done and has been done for centuries. It does not command anyone to do it, it simply is an example.

Where in the world do you get the term “WDDM Sovereign Assembly”?

I suggest if you are taking bits out of discussions that you join the discussion so you understand the entire discussion, and the rest of us can gain from your input. Taking words out of context, I have no idea what you are addressing.

Incidentally I have been working with Mirek for a long time. Unfortunately much confusion has come of trying to support many different ideals of DD. There is a definite process to developing WDDM's Aim but it must be consistent.

Please continue this discussion so we can clarify further our WDDM.

Regards, Bruce

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:00 AM, <Antonio Rossin> wrote:

Sorry, Bruce,  I attended the second  DD Congress in Athens + Delphi, Greece, on 2000, but I don't remember of any discussion on the Swiss model there. Also, I don't remember of hawing met with any Bruce Eggum there.

Please notice, I have nothing to disagree with the Swiss model, provided only that this model is a bottom-up outcome from the inhabitant people there, not just a top-down decision of any WDDM sovereign assembly to be exported  worldwide, as some people seem to see it as.

What I have to disagree with, it is anyone's claim to present one's own goal as if it were the initial WDDM goal, and anyone's claim to present oneself as the spokesperson of the WDDM Movement (notice: not just of the WDDM m-list and web-site, both of  which I thank Mirek Kolar very, very much for.)

regards,
antonio

Bruce Eggum ha scritto:

Dear Antonio,

What is it about the Swiss model you disagree with?
When the group returned from second Congress in Delphi, Greece the WDDM discussion was continually on the Swiss model.
You Antonio began a Italian Assembly to accomplish this yourself in Italy.

Of course it is just an example, because this method provides that each group should hold "Assembly" [meeting of all people] and than anyone could introduce any "Initiative" which is any topic, idea, statue change, anything for the people to consider. If the people decide the Initiative has merit, they can introduce it to Referendum where it can be accepted or rejected.

Sincerely, Bruce

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it> wrote:

Sorry, Bruce.

this was, and still is, YOUR  initial goal - quite sectarian IMHO -
not  the initial goal of  WDDM.
Please, speak for yourself,


antonio - founding member of  WDDM






Bruce Eggum ha scritto:

Yes this was the initial WDDM goal to oversee representative government with sovereignty <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty> lodged in the assembly of all citizens <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship> who choose to participate.

This is really quite simple and appropriate goal. Once begun, the people have the tools to develop however they choose to run their country.   Bruce

On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Dan Smith <draciron(at)gmail.com> wrote:

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy

   Swiss model our base ideal?

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