The
reason I want to unsubscribe is that these theoretical discussions seem
endless. Theories about the inadequacies of governments and ideal
replacement are virtually infinite in variety. Unless they are well
grounded in empirical data, it seems to me impossible to choose one theory over
the others or to have confidence that the theory can lead to a workable system
that can be tried with the expectation of success in actually working in a
state or nation. I get so many e-mail messages per day that I don't have
time for theoretical discussions not firmly grounded in research data.
Also,
when I have mentioned that I have a study on my web site for which I need
subjects, listserves such as WDDM haven't been a fruitful source for me.
I have a study loaded now that will explore 66 traits of liberals and
conservative, I believe. I need subjects. If you have students or
other groups who are willing to complete 4 questionnaires of 200 or more items
each, please contact me.
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To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Sent: Friday, January 15,
2010 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] A couple
questions
We are trying to understand the source of the basic
urge for freedom and I broadly agree with Hamid. But Fred Blomson feels we are
digressing from Democracy and has expressed his unhappiness with this
discussion in a e-mail to me. Bill also is prompted to unsubscribe from this
list. Therefore it is better to leave this discussion at this stage.
Vijayaraghavan
On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:21:14 +0530 wrote
>
I am not
expert but I heard in a radio program that even consciousness is eraseable. The
woman who suffered of this problem had loosed all her memory over one night.
When she looked in
the mirror
she could not recognize herself and for her it was like to look to another
person. She was forced to experience a new childhood and learn all simple
skills from the beginning.
What I
meant by living my life as I like was that every living creatures are
struggling to satify their own needs. When they are stopped of others or their
possibilities in their struggle they will
react and
try to get back the control over their life. This reaction is independent of
our intellect or knowledge and a demand from our body. Democracy is a way to
get back our freedom to
live as we
like from those who disturb us in our ambitions.
From: Vijayaraghavan
Padmanabhan
Sent: Friday, January 15,
2010 4:51 AM
To:
wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: Re: [WDDM] A couple
questions
All knowledge that is stored in our mind/brain is transient. They
are indeed erasable even in one's own life time. More basic thanknowledge is
the 'consciousness' or the feeling of 'I' or the 'self'. Hamid's 'I' would like
to live life as it likes and would like to react to perceived 'injustice'. Each
individual's 'I' or 'consciousness' has its own predilections depending on past
experiences and genetic influences. If Hamid were to live his life after all
his memory is erased he would mostly feel the same way since
'consciousness'remains largely the same, subject to the same genetic
influences.
>
>More basic than 'consciousness' is the 'pure consciousness' or the 'inner
self' or 'Self'.We enjoy the taste of this during the blissful twilight zone
between deep sleep and becoming fully awake.Further discussion about consciousness
enters the zone of metaphysical.
>
>Vijayaraghavan
>
>
>On Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:09:50 +0530 wrote
>>
>
You forgot
to write any conclusions.
You say a
lot but almost nothing.
Perhaps
your point is that everything wedo is meaningless ( similar to Kafka´s way of
thinking? )
I have
similar ideas like you. All our knowledge is nothing elsebut chemical changes
in our brain and nerves. Our brain is a very little material compared with all
material in the world and
this changes
has almost no vlue for the world. There are people who loose all their memories
and knowledge in a short time because of some sickness or mall function of
their bodies.
Everytime I
eat I kill other living creatures like animals and plants. If there exist a god
he should be ashamed of the world he has created.
But all
these knowledge does not prevent me to react to those who dominate or try to
dominate me.I try anyhowtolive my life asI like it during my short life time.
Regards
Hamid
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From: David Parker
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