Re: [WDDM] WDDM Charter and up-coming meeting

["tobuz" <tobuz(at)libero.it>]

Hi everybody,
let me say first of all that I am surprised in reading some offending words in this discussion.
Direct Democracy is based on the respect for all opinions.

Coming to the matter uner discussion :
I believe Antonio is right if he thinks that a Charter coming from the top does not serve the purpose of establishing DD.
The power of political parties and their masters (stock exchange financiers) will never permit this to happen.
Thus, in my opinion, DD can be established only proceeding from the bottom up.
In my opinion a Charter can serve in having DD managed after being accepted as the ruling procedure.
To me the magic word is education, in the first instance from political movements ( DD movements ) explaining the concept of DD to the
citizens and convincing them to make a change in the procedure to rule the nation.
When this is done, all the rest will follow.

We at Democrazia Federale are doing just this, opening up DD groups all over our country and spreading the idea.
Have a good night
Federico Tonini

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From      : "Antonio Rossin" rossin(at)tin.it
To          : wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Cc          :
Date      : Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:34:05 +0200
Subject : Re: [WDDM] WDDM Charter and up-coming meeting


Subsequently, these simpletons present the problem of
the worldwide lack of Direct Democracy as if it were a lack of a fitter DD charter exclusively.
Even worse, by doing so they do deviate  the people's
attention from what the people themselves could do directly and responsibly by their own, to what the leaders like to point out to them as
a charter to follow.
......
Another good example of DD at work, IMHO, it is the Homeschooling initiative mostly in the U.S.
.....
To summarize, the success of Democracy -- and of every similar problem involving people as a whole -- foresees two intervention levels:
Level One:
interventions on the offering of Democracy, like DD charters,
DD laws, DD models etc.  Let's call this, in short, "top-down"
Level Two:
interventions to increase the people's overall demand of a
democratic social arrangement.
Plainly, this kind of demand is a matter of basic education
family education) growing it from bottom up.
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Well now, to stick to te point:  Direct Democracy, in everybody's experience, is unlikely to succeed if we were unable to make these two
intervention levels match together.
.......

"The officer's terms were due for new election and discussion about a definition of Direct Democracy caused much confusion in the WDDM
group meeting the last couple years."
........
I couldn't resist.
The confusion in the WDDM group was due to those guys (with Bruce as their champion) who managed to fix the "lack of  Democracy" problem by
being active at 'Level One'  exclusively -- i.e., by managing to exclude the 'Level Two' issues away from the WDDM debate up to now.


  Jim Powell wrote:
Hi All,
I have to respond to Antonio
Bruce has put much effort into the new charter.
I believe that this is a model that can be used as a reference for communities to develop DD.
It is obvious Antonio, that this is developed in WDDM.