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From: "Annette and Martin" <ajackson123(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 05:39:50 +0930
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Regarding the social network site

Giorgio, below l recently found this about Zionism,which a was hard to
believe,
Martin Jackson
The Role Of Zionism In The Holocaust

Article by Rabbi Gedalya Liebermann - Australia
"Spiritually and Physically Responsible "

From its' inception, many rabbis warned of the potential dangers of Zionism
and openly declared that all Jews loyal to G-d should stay away from it like
one would from fire. They made their opinions clear to their congregants and
to the general public.

Their message was that Zionism is a chauvinistic racist phenomenon which has
absolutely naught to do with Judaism.

They publicly expressed that Zionism would definitely be detrimental to the
well being of Jews and Gentiles and that its effects on the Jewish religion
would be nothing other than destructive.

Further, it would taint the reputation of Jewry as a whole and would cause
utter confusion in the Jewish and non-Jewish communities. Judaism is a
religion. Judaism is not a race or a nationality.

That was and still remains the consensus amongst the rabbis.

We were given the Holy Land by G-d in order to be able to study and practice
the Torah without disturbance and to attain levels of holiness difficult to
attain outside of the Holy Land.

We abused the privilege and we were expelled. That is exactly what all Jews
say in their prayers on every Jewish festival, "Umipnay chatoenu golinu
mayartsaynu" - "Because of our sins we were expelled from our land".

We have been forsworn by G-d "not to enter the Holy Land as a body before
the predestined time", "not to rebel against the nations", to be loyal
citizens, not to do anything against the will of any nation or its honour,
not to seek vengeance, discord, restitution or compensation; "not to leave
exile ahead of time." On the contrary; we have to be humble and accept the
yoke of exile.

To violate the oaths would result in "your flesh will be made prey as the
deer and the antelope in the forest," and the redemption will be delayed.
(Talmud Tractate Ksubos p. 111a).

To violate the oaths is not only a sin, it is a heresy because it is against
the fundamentals of our Belief. Only through complete repentance will the
Almighty alone, without any human effort or intervention, redeem us from
exile. This will be after G-d will send the prophet Elijah and Moshiach who
will induce all Jews to complete repentance. At that time there will be
universal peace.

All of the leading Jewish religious authorities of that era predicted great
hardship to befall humanity generally and the Jewish People particularly, as
a result of Zionism.

To be a Jew means that either one is born to a Jewish mother or converts to
the religion with the condition that he or she make no reservations with
regard to Jewish Law.

Unfortunately there are many Jews who have no inkling whatsoever as to the
duties of a Jew.

Many of them are not to blame, for in many cases they lacked a Jewish
education and upbringing. But there are those who deliberately distort the
teachings of our tradition to suit their personal needs.

It is self understood that not just anyone has the right or the ability to
make a decision regarding the philosophy or law of a religion. Especially
matters in which that person has no qualification.

It follows then that those individuals who "decided" that Judaism is a
nationality are to be ignored and even criticized. It is no secret that the
founders of Zionism had never studied Jewish Law nor did they express
interest in our holy tradition.

They openly defied Rabbinical authority and self-appointed themselves as
leaders of the Jewish "nation". In Jewish history, actions like those have
always spelled disaster.

To be a Jew and show open defiance of authority or to introduce "amendment"
or "innovation" without first consulting with those officially appointed as
Jewish spiritual leaders is the ideal equation to equal catastrophe. One can
not just decide to "modernize" ancient traditions or regulations.

The spiritual leaders of contemporary Judaism better known as Orthodox
rabbis have received ordination to judge and interpret matters pertaining to
the Jewish faith.

These rabbis have received their rights and responsibilities and form a link
in the unbroken chain of the Jewish tradition dating all the way back to
Moses who received the Torah from Almighty G-d Himself.

It was these very rabbis who, at the time of the formation of the Zionist
movement, foresaw the pernicious outcome that was without a doubt lined up.
It was a man possessing outstanding Judaic genius, and a level of
uncontested holiness who enunciated the Jewish stance regarding Zionism.

He forbade any participation with anything even remotely associated with
Zionism and said that Zionism was bound to call the wrath of G-d upon His
people.

He maintained this stance with unwavering bravery from the onset of Zionism
whilst he was still in Hungary up until his death in New York where he lead
a congregation numbering in the hundreds of thousands.

Grand Rabbi Teitelbaum, scion to a legacy of holy mystics and Hassidic
Masters unfortunately had his prediction fulfilled. We lost more than six
million of our brothers, sisters, sons and daughters in a very horrible
manner. This, more than six million holy people had to experience as
punishment for the Zionist stupidity.

The Holocaust, he wept, was a direct result of Zionism, a punishment from
G-d.

IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE TIME
OF HITLER'S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO
CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE
BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION.

But it doesn't end there. It wasn't enough for the Zionist leaders to have
aroused the wrath of G-d. They made a point of displaying abysmal contempt
for their Jewish brothers and sisters by actively participating in their
extermination.

Just the idea alone of Zionism, which the rabbis had informed them would
cause havoc, was not enough for them.

They made an effort to pour fuel on an already burning flame. They had to
incite the Angel of Death, Adolf Hitler.

They took the liberty of telling the world that they represented World
Jewry. Who appointed these individuals as leaders of the Jewish People?? It
is no secret that these so-called "leaders" were ignoramuses when it came to
Judaism. Atheists and racists too.

These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott against
Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking an
elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe.

At a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler,
the Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political
amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a
frenzy. Genocide began, but these people, if they can really be classified
as members of the human race, sat back.
"No Shame"

President Roosevelt convened the Evian conference July 6-15 1938, to deal
with the Jewish refugee problem. The Jewish Agency delegation headed by
Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German offer to allow Jews to emigrate to
other countries for $250 a head, and the Zionists made no effort to
influence the United States and the 32 other countries attending the
conference to allow immigration of German and Austrian Jews. [Source]


On Feb 1, 1940 Henry Montor executive vice-President of the United Jewish
Appeal refused to intervene for a shipload of Jewish refugees stranded on
the Danube river, stating that "Palestine cannot be flooded with... old
people or with undesirables." [Source]

It is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo
offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all
their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of
the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be
transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain;
with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and c) $1000.00
ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the
arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families
daily.

The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the
clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the
deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.

The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees. b)
The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than
the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish
State" at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid This response to the
Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to
this offer was the gas chamber.

These treacherous Zionist leaders betrayed their own flesh and blood.
Zionism was never an option for Jewish salvation. Quite the opposite, it was
a formula for human beings to be used as pawns for the power trip of several
desperadoes. A perfidy! A betrayal beyond description!
In 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was
made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. The same Zionist hierarchy
again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of
millions).

The British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the
Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The
"Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the
plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should
be gassed.

On December 17, 1942 both houses of the British Parliament declared its
readiness to find temporary refuge for endangered persons. The British
Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them
in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany. This
motion received within two weeks a total of 277 Parliamentary signatures. On
Jan. 27, when the next steps were being pursued by over 100 M.P.'s and
Lords, a spokesman for the Zionists announced that the Jews would oppose the
motion because Palestine was omitted. [Source]

On Feb. 16, 1943 Roumania offered 70,000 Jewish refugees of the
Trans-Dniestria to leave at the cost of $50 each. This was publicized in the
New York papers. Yitzhak Greenbaum, Chairman of the Rescue Committee of the
Jewish Agency, addressing the Zionist Executive Council in Tel Aviv Feb. 18
1943 said, "when they asked me, "couldn't you give money out of the United
Jewish Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, I said NO! and I say
again, NO!...one should resist this wave which pushes the Zionist activities
to secondary importance." On Feb. 24, 1943 Stephen Wise, President of the
American Jewish Congress and leader of the American Zionists issued a public
refusal to this offer and declared no collection of funds would seem
justified.

In 1944, the Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish People called upon the
American government to establish a War Refugee Board. Stephen Wise
testifying before a special committee of Congress objected to this proposal.
[Source]

During the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weizman, the
first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish
nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are
not too important". Weizman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement
with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews
in Europe".

And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist
"statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger
and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only
for the purpose of building their State.

In 1947 Congressman William Stration sponsored a bill to immediately grant
entry to the United States of 400,000 displaced persons. The bill was not
passed after it was publicly denounced by the Zionist leadership. [Source]

These facts are read with consternation and unbearable shame. How can it be
explained that at a time during the last phase of the war, when the Nazis
were willing to barter Jews for money, partly because of their desires to
establish contact with the Western powers which, they believed, were under
Jewish influence, how was it possible one asks that the self-proclaimed
"Jewish leaders" did not move heaven and earth to save the last remnant of
their brothers?

On Feb. 23, 1956 the Hon. J. W. Pickersgill, Minister for Immigration was
asked in the Canadian House of Commons "would he open the doors of Canada to
Jewish refugees". He replied "the government has made no progress in that
direction because the government of Israel....does not wish us to do so".
[Source]

In 1972, the Zionist leadership successfully opposed an effort in the United
States Congress to allow 20,000-30,000 Russian refugees to enter the United
States. Jewish relief organizations, Joint and HIAS, were being pressured to
abandon these refugees in Vienna, Rome and other Europiean cities. [Source]
The pattern is clear!!! Humanitarian rescue efforts are subverted to narrow
Zionist interests.

There were many more shocking crimes committed by these abject degenerates
known as "Jewish statesmen", we could list many more example, but for the
time being let anyone produce a valid excuse for the above facts.
Zionist responsibility for the Holocaust is threefold.

1. The Holocaust was a punishment for disrespecting The Three Oaths (see
Talmud, Tractate Kesubos p. 111a).
2. Zionist leaders openly withheld support, both financially and otherwise,
to save their fellow brothers and sisters from a cruel death.
3. The leaders of the Zionist movement cooperated with Hitler and his
cohorts on many occasions and in many ways.

Zionists Offer a Military Alliance with Hitler
It would be wishful thinking if it could be stated that the leaders of the
Zionist movement sat back and ignored the plight of their dying brothers and
sisters.

Not only did they publicly refuse to assist in their rescue, but they
actively participated with Hitler and the Nazi regime. Early in 1935, a
passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of
Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letter for its name, "Tel Aviv",
while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was
Zionist owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party (Nazi) member.

Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic
combination as a "metaphysical absurdity". Absurd or not, this is but one
vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide ranging
collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich.

In early January 1941 a small but important Zionist organization submitted a
formal proposal to German diplomats in Beirut for a military-political
alliance with wartime Germany. The offer was made by the radical underground
"Fighters for the Freedom of Israel", better known as the Lehi or Stern
Gang.

Its leader, Avraham Stern, had recently broken with the radical nationalist
"National Military Organization" (Irgun Zvai Leumi - Etzel) over the group's
attitude toward Britain, which had effectively banned further Jewish
settlement of Palestine. Stern regarded Britain as the main enemy of
Zionism.

This remarkable proposal "for the solution of the Jewish question in Europe
and the active participation on the NMO [Lehi] in the war on the side of
Germany" is worth quoting at some length:
"The NMO which is very familiar with the goodwill of the German Reich
government and its officials towards Zionist activities within Germany and
the Zionist emigration program takes the view that:

1.Common interests can exist between a European New Order based on the
German concept and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as
embodied by the NMO.

2.Cooperation is possible between the New Germany and a renewed,
folkish-national Jewry.

3.The establishment of the Jewish state on a national and totalitarian
basis, and bound by treaty, with the German Reich, would be in the interest
of maintaining and strengthening the future German position of power in the
Near East.

"On the basis of these considerations, and upon the condition that the
German Reich government recognize the national aspirations of the Israel
Freedom Movement mentioned above, the NMO in Palestine offers to actively
take part in the war on the side of Germany.

"This offer by the NMO could include military, political and informational
activity within Palestine and, after certain organizational measures,
outside as well.

Along with this the "Jewish" men of Europe would be militarily trained and
organized in military units under the leadership and command of the NMO.
They would take part in combat operations for the purpose of conquering
Palestine, should such a front be formed.

"The indirect participation of the Israel Freedom Movement in the New Order
of Europe, already in the preparatory stage, combined with a
positive-radical solution of the European-Jewish problem on the basis of the
national aspirations of the Jewish people mentioned above, would greatly
strengthen the moral foundation of the New Order in the eyes of all
humanity.

"The cooperation of the Israel Freedom Movement would also be consistent
with a recent speech by the German Reich Chancellor, in which Hitler
stressed that he would utilize any combination and coalition in order to
isolate and defeat England".

(Original document in German Auswertiges Amt Archiv, Bestand 47-59, E224152
and E234155-58. Complete original text published in: David Yisraeli, The
Palestinian Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1947) pp.
315-317).

On the basis of their similar ideologies about ethnicity and nationhood,
National Socialists and Zionists worked together for what each group
believed was in its own national interests.

This is just one example of the Zionist movements' collaboration with Hitler
for the purpose of possibly receiving jurisdiction over a minute piece of
earth, Palestine.
And to top it all up, brainwashing!


How far this unbelievable Zionist conspiracy has captured the Jewish masses,
and how impossible it is for any different thought to penetrate their minds,
even to the point of mere evaluation, can be seen in the vehemence of the
reaction to any reproach. With blinded eyes and closed ears, any voice
raised in protest and accusation is immediately suppressed and deafened by
the thousandfold cry: "Traitor," "Enemy of the Jewish People." Source for
paragraphs marked "[Source]": The Wall Street Journal December 2, 1976The
data presented on this page was prepared by AJAZ.

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/holocaust/gedalyaliebermann.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Giorgio Menon" <giorgio.menon(at)pd.infn.it>
To: <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Regarding the social network site


Georges Metanomski wrote:

Giorgio Menon goes unread to my trash
Georges.

This is the worst example of bipolar thinkig i have ever met.
Either with me or against me. Kill the different, he might harm your
thinking.

Let's see Georges precious historical /sociological/military comment:
" Just one example of self-fulfillment:
3-5% of kibbutz population provides 90% of fighter
pilots. Now, the selection of Israeli fighter pilots
is by far the toughest in the world both physically
and psychically."

How does such fullfilment translate into reality?

Over 33 days, Israeli jets killed up to 1,200 Lebanese civilians and
bombed houses, hospitals, ambulances, refineries, and roads [ sample video
and pictures here <http://web.amnesty.org/pages/lebanonisrael-index-eng>
and here <http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/israel_lebanon/multimedia/>]. Some
four thousand Lebanese were wounded and nearly a quarter of the country's
four million people were driven from their homes.

"... if you nevertheless want to know what I feel when I release a
bomb, I will tell you: I feel a light bump to the plane as a result of the
bomb's release. A second later it's gone, and that's all. That is what I
feel." -Dan Halutz, interview with Ha'aretz, 21 August 2002. (During the
2006 Israel-Lebanon war, Dan Halutz, head of the Israeli military,
orchestrated a policy of indiscriminate aerial bombardment that entailed
widespread war crimes)

Extensive onsite investigations by Human Rights Watch (HRW) and Amnesty
International (AI) found that the pattern of bombings and civilian
casualties could not be dismissed as accidents nor excused by alleged
"human shielding" by Hizb Allah fighters (though both AI and HRW have
extensively criticized Hizb Allah as well). Both organizations concluded
that Halutz's forces were bombing without regard to whether they were
hitting civilians or fighters, and in some instances targeted civilians
and civilian objects directly, both of which are war crimes under
international law.

I think this explain quite well the relationship kibbutzim-fighter pilots.
But i want to go further. Asks PVR:
"What is it that an individual basically seeks in this world? It is
fulfilment in life."
Fullfilment is a cultural artifact. Similar cultures attach similar
meanings to the word "fulfillment". I can therefore imagine that for a
young male born and educated in a kibbutz "fulfillment" has something to
do with bombing civilians without questioning too much.
Is this a valuable practice of DD?
And is a valuable practice of DD refusing to read the messages of someone
who disagrees?

Giorgio


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