Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD

["Annette and Martin" <ajackson123(at)bigpond.com>]

If you would like to know why the is so many dictators,watch
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - Part I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdnNgqfs8&feature=related
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man - Part II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29GhXsx7-Rs&feature=related
This will make you understand why?
Martin Jackson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Lalanne" <moelalon2000(at)yahoo.com>
To: <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD


> Hitler Stalin and lenin were not benevolent
> dictators...
>
> benevolent |b&#601;&#712;nev&#601;l&#601;nt|
> adjective
> well meaning and kindly : a benevolent smile.
> . (of an organization) serving a charitable rather
> than a profit-making purpose : a benevolent fund.
> DERIVATIVES
> benevolence noun
> benevolently adverb
> ORIGIN late Middle English : from Old French
> benivolent, from Latin bene volent- 'well wishing,'
> from bene 'well' + velle 'to wish.'
>
> Thesaurus
> benevolent
> adjective
> 1 a benevolent patriarch kind, kindly, kindhearted,
> bighearted, good-natured, good, benign, compassionate,
> caring, altruistic, humanitarian, philanthropic;
> generous, magnanimous, munificent, unselfish,
> openhanded, beneficent; literary bounteous. antonym
> unkind, tightfisted.
> 2 a benevolent institution charitable, nonprofit,
> not-for-profit; formal eleemosynary.
>
>
>
>
> --- DAVID FRANK <davidafrank1948(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > A dictatorship..That sounds great..Maybe Hitler,
> > Stalin, Lenin and the like will take it easy on us
> > this time..Would you please check out
> > onevoicenow.org for an idea for a real
> > democracy..your opinion is appreciated...David Frank
> >
> > Jon Lalanne <moelalon2000(at)yahoo.com> wrote: The
> > cheepest most efficient form of government is a
> > dictatorship as long as the dictator is
> > benevolent....some of the best governments in the
> > world are dictatorships...
> >
> >
> > --- Antonio Rossin  wrote:
> >
> > > Jim Powell ha scritto:
> > > > Hi Antonio,
> > > >
> > > > I do not agree that this will lead to
> > > dictatorship.
> > > > We may disagree with the methods that are put
> > > forward but this
> > > > concentrates on the differences.
> > > >
> > > > Mainstream communication is required.
> > >
> > > Hi Jim,
> > >
> > > These words of yours sound strange to a fellow -
> > > like me -
> > > who lived in a country ( Italy) under fascistic
> > > dictatorship.
> > > Maybe in your country you've got no such
> > background.
> > > > The best way is to introduce "the way things
> > work"
> > > into the school
> > > > curriculum.
> > > > This would examine the way in which decisions
> > are
> > > made.
> > > > The fertile mind of the child would then ask
> > why?
> > > I do not agree totally with this .
> > > The best way is to introduce "the way things work"
> > > into the family
> > > curriculum, at the zero-to-three age, when parents
> > > are still the only
> > > teachers and the child is learning communicated
> > > things not only, but
> > > also how communication works within interpersonal
> > > (within social,
> > > later) relationships. There the problem is, how to
> > > save children from
> > > their "fertile minds" getting sterilized by family
> > > dictatorship, imho.
> > >
> > > About this topic, if you were interested in, I
> > have
> > > some stuff at:
> http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/rossin08.htm
> > > (and at .../rossin09.htm, if you were interested
> > in
> > > how differences
> > > work inside mainstream communication, to wit,
> > > Dialectics.)
> > >
> > > > Simple logic would then have them realize that
> > the
> > > system is not
> > > > representative of the will of the people.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Jim Powell
> > > See my "idea" about this point in a previous post
> > of
> > > mine.
> > >
> > > There I question: how does the real will of the
> > > people work?
> > > " - for good or bad purposes - ? "
> > >
> > > Which becomes, now: "with a fertile or with a
> > > sterilized mind?"
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > ant
> > > > *From:* Antonio Rossin
> > > > *Sent:* 13 Mar 2008 07:34 AM
> > > > *To:* wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
> > > > *Cc:* epistemology(at)yahoogroups.com
> > > > *Subject:* Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture
> > > about DD
> > > > Georges,
> > > >
> > > > The problem of (the lack of) Democracy is not
> > that
> > > of
> > > > communicating valuable stuff -- such as yours
> > > below --
> > > > to people.
> > > >
> > > > Instead, it is about how to communicate any
> > stuff
> > > --
> > > > encompassing yours -- to people, so to enable
> > them
> > > > to deal with.
> > > >
> > > > In other words, that's not a problem of
> > > communicating.
> > > > That's a problem of meta-communicating.
> > > >
> > > > If you were unable to understand the difference,
> > > as you
> > > > seem as, you are a damage to Democracy, because
> > > you
> > > > are leading towards (scientific) dictatorship.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > antonio
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Georges Metanomski ha scritto:
> > > >
> > > > --- Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan
> > >  wrote:
> > > > I&BR is focussed on
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     the process that would enable True Democracy
> > > but it
> > > >     does not tell us how to get there.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > =============
> > > > G:
> > > > For once a reasonable statement. It's not for us
> > > to
> > > > discusse, let alone to dictate which forms
> > should
> > > take
> > > > the DD governance. Once established, it will be
> > > for
> > > > the
> > > > Forum to determine them. All we can do is to see
> > > how
> > > > to
> > > > get there. Years ago I proposed a way that I
> > > called
> > > > "Shadow Parliament". I cannot be judge and
> > party,
> > > so
> > > > it should be discussed by other people.
> > > >
> > > > It's available in
> http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/POLITICS/shadow_eng.html
> > > > I quote here it's conclusion:
> > > >
> > > > QUOTE
> > > > Three issues seem essential for starting to move
> > > > towards the DD:
> > > >
> > > > 1.Getting a Shadow Parliament within the
> > > Particracy.
> > > > 2.Establish a logistic 3 Functions support.
> > > >
> > > > 3.Propound Sincerity, which appears to be the
> > > > critical condition of DD. A very limited
> > > experience
> > > > seems to point to "self applicable attitude".
> > > > An example:
> > > > A small forum discussed pollution and found out
> > > > rightly
> > > > or wrongly that the worst pollution source is
> > the
> > > > factory breeding of animals. Besides pollution
> > it
> > > > involves unacceptable suffering of animals and
> > > mental
> > > > corruption of attendants who become potential
> > > sadistic
> > > > Auschwitz guards. The group condemned eating
> > meat.
> > > Not
> > > > as a theoretical principle, but as a self
> > applying
> > > > decision and all members stopped eating meat.
> > > > Another very limited and positive experience
> > > consisted
> > > > in stages in Kibbutzim, confronting fellows with
> > > the
> > > > sincerity of the unique ever realized genuine
> > DD.
> > > > UNQUOTE
> > > > =============