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Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it> |
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Fri, 28 Apr 2006 03:52:43 +0200 |
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Re: Significance of the Cross |
Dear Mikael Stenborg
I had no doubt that you were in favour for number 2.
Yet number 2 deals with one half only of the task,
that
depends on ourselves democracy lovers and democracy
speakers-activists.
The other half, depending on our target -- the people as
democracy final users and democracy listeners -- deals
with the people's capability of processing autonomously
( not top-down led! ) the informations they listen to.
In other words, Democracy is nurtured with freedom
of speech, by all of us democracy lovers who discuss
democracy, and this is one half of the task.
But, as the second half of the task, Democracy is
also
made with freedom from speech. Which means
that
the people-listeners must be free in their minds in order
to pick-up and criticize and awarely use the informations
they are given: but for the reality which those
informations
point to and not, NOT for the authority of the
power-holder
speaking to them.
To the psychiatrist:
the status of mind opening to bottom-up democracy --
say, "freedom from speech" -- is a prerequisite
of healthy
minds. Which means, the lack of democracy goes
together
with unhealthy minds, it is nothing else but a mental
illness.
I roughly described it as "Less(ened) Flexibility
Syndrome",
more at: http://www.flexible-learning.org/eng/lfs_eng.htm
Best regards,
antonio
At 7:06 +0200 26-04-2006, Mikael Stenborg wrote:
I am totally for number 2
BTw I have canged my surname from Nordfors to
Stejnborg, so my name is not any more
Mikael Nordfors,
but Mikael Stenborg
2006/4/24, Antonio Rossin < rossin(at)tin.it>:
Dearest Wolfgang, and World Democracy citizens,
to put it into simple clear terms, the problem remains
one only, in principle. That is:
1.
Shall we decide about what is useless, or harmful,
or else provoking to the people, and protect-prevent
them from being informed accordingly? So leaving
them into ignorance?
2.
Or shall we inform the people about every issue, and
let them decide by themselves about what could be
useless, or harmful, or else provoking, to them? So
making them become aware as much as possible?
Please answer.
As for myself, I do not care about the power-holders'
resistance, but about the people's awareness.
Best regards,
antonio
At 11:39 +0200 23-04-2006, Wolfgang Fischer wrote:
>Dearest Antonio,
>
>first time in my life I am sitting in a plane (from Shanghai
to
>Frankfurt) having online connection. So I happily answer you.
>
> I do not fear anything, caro Anonio. My only
motivation
> for my advise is to avoid unnecessary resistance.
Being a
> psychiatrist you will know about this very well.
Individually
> you are right it might be necessary to dismantle
resistance,
> to make it aware and finally to dissolve it in the
therapeutic
> process. Here on our “battlefield towards global
peace by
> global governance” however it is recommended to be
cute.
> This means to avoid evitable resistance and to advance
as
> quick as possible by gaining quantitative momentum.
This
> by no means implies we need to be diplomatic or
lying.
>
>What do you aspect from Joseph Ratzinger for example, dearest
>Antonio, when discussing the cross? You will not win any
ground.
>But if you leave the cross aside and talk about your deepest
>impressions, feelings, fears and hopes, if you talk about
Jesus
>Christ as having been a person with aspirations and needs and
the
>general motivation to spread love and happiness - then you might
be
>able to touch even Joseph Ratzinger. You might be able to talk
to
>him as a human being, beyond his catholic armour, do you get what
I
>mean? This way we are to talk within ourselves, directly from
heart
>to heart - anything else is too time consuming. Lets
communicate
>directly, openly - disclosing our fears and aspirations from
the
>very beginning - following the understanding of mediation.
>
>"Religion - Communication - Addiction" Life - or
Replacement for
>Life, Substitute? This is what you are heading at. By
now you will
>have read my contribution to the Global Resonant Network. I
wonder
>what will be the consequences? Tantalising, isn’t it? I wonder
how
>we will be able integrate our findings and where. I am happy to
have
>found this group of individuals on this list. I am grateful to
Josep
>for his dedication and I do hope others will grant his
commitment
>and service by finally at least conceding to establish a joint
>registry of citizens who are in favour of whatsoever global
>governance different to the domination by greed and sheer power
to
>kill - which are nothing but the logic results of our money
system,
>a system which physically forces people to pay highest attention
to
>serve compound interest appetite before serving the hunger of
the
>people - nobody honestly can claim the contrary. Let us be
clear!
>«Ambrose Bierce defined diplomacy as "the patriotic act of
lying for
>one's country." But there is nothing less patriotic than
lying to
>one's country -- especially when the result is a war that could
have
>been avoided if honesty had substituted for mendacity.» (quoted
from
>Norman Solomon (http://www.accuracy.org - and
author of "War Made
>Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to
Death"
>http://www.warmadeeasy.com)
in
>http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2006-04/22solomon.cfm
ZNet
>Commentary «When “Diplomacy” Means War»)
>
>Thanks, anyhow for being there and communicating, with all my
>aspirations - Wolfgang
>
>Am 23.04.2006 5:02 Uhr schrieb "Antonio Rossin" unter <
rossin(at)tin.it>:
>
>Dear Wolfgang,
>
>What are you fearing from?
>
>Also, in democracy, shall we speak to the people, get them
into
>being informed of what is passing through, and let them defend
>themselves by themselves?
>
>Or shall we prevent the "relevant people", i.e. the
power-holders,
>from being "provoked" by exposing to the people the
hidden ways
>they exercise their power over the people?
>
>BTW, I'm changing the title of the article. Some suggestions?
>
>Perhaps "Religion - Communication - Addiction" sounds
better.
>
>
>Thanks for your kind attention, best regards
>
>antonio
>PS. Now the piece is mounted in the web, as Jud Evans posted:
>
>==========================
>Hi Antonio!
>Hope you are well?
>The piece on the Significance of the cross is great!
>
>I have uploaded it to the usual place:
>
>http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/rossin06.htm
>
>You now have a total of 6-pieces on the EE site and I guess
they
>each get at least 50-100 visitors per day.
>
>
>Best wishes,
>
>JUd.
>===================================
>Thanks Jud
>
>
>
>
>
>
>tel: +46 31 203730
>e-mail:
<mailto:mikael(at)kunlabori.org>mikael(at)kunlabori.org
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