Re: various (lozenge etc.)

["Jiri Polak" <jiri.polak(at)swipnet.se>]

Dear Giorgio,
your scepticism can only be answered by future development. You seem to
believe that society should be left as it is without anybody trying to
change it. I will explain my motives: I am driven by hatred towards all
those political elites who have destroyed my life and the lives of millions
of others. I am not going to be a passive on-looker which you seem to
prefer. I am sure honest people can establish better systems than those we
have now.
Sincerely,                  Jiri Polak
----- Original Message -----
From: "Giorgio Menon" <menon(at)pd.infn.it>
To: <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: various (lozenge etc.)


> Jiri Polak wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > I agree with Mirek. In the future, fully developed democratic systems,
> > there will not be any need to have leaders (but there will always be
> > necessary to have some structures ensuring the running og the system). We
> > are not there yet.
>
> Ancient Greeks called it Ou-Topos (Non-Place). It's commonly known as
> Utopia now.
>
>
> > At this stage, when we are barely beginning to discuss truly democratic
> > systems and attempt, by trial and error, to put in place some rudimentary
> > mechanisms, leaders ARE needed! Current DD leaders do not get payed, they
> > do what they do because of deep conviction and concern about the future
> > of mankind.
>
> A simple question: does mankind need their concerns? Does manking need
> other Savyors who, in their  name, rescue them from a life of misery? Or
> isn't more commonly practiced the role of  he-who-needs-to
> show-how-miserable-mankind-is?  A miserable mankind will never show
> adequate responsability, rather a great need for authorities. Here the
> circle closes.
> Nothing personal, of course. I appreciate all the time and energies these
> individuals spend in order to improve our lives. I'm only asking if our
> lives need it.
> Am i exaggerating maybe? I remember that an exaggerated love begets
> hartred......
>
> > Therefore, there is no corruption and no reason to distrust this type of
> > leadership. We should be grateful to all those who assume a (temporary)
> > role as leaders in certain areas.
> > Sincerely,                       Jiri Polak
>
> Absolutely. But Masters of all kinds and all ages MUST be abandoned to be
> able to achieve personal independance (freedom?), thus a "fully developed
> democratic systems", whatever this means.
>
> Best regards
>
> Giorgio