| From: | "Esi" <esi1mohseni2(at)hotmail.com> |
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| Date: | Sun, 3 Jan 2010 02:33:12 +0100 |
| Subject: | Re: [WDDM] World Government |
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Hi Luca
You call me incompetent. You did not specify incompetent
in what. If you mean incompetent generally, nobody can blame you for that
because it is exactly what I am. Number of questions
I have no answer for are uncountable. Everytime I find
answer to some question I can make many new unsanswered questions by using
different question words like, who, what, how many
and etc in combination with that answer. So in practice
number of unanswered questions increases several times faster than number of
answers I get. I don´t even know what my body is
made of and how it works. How
many kind of microorganisms exist in my body and how they function or
communicate with each other. I don´t know neither which kind of micro particles
and
atoms these microorganisms are
made of and which kind of natural rules decide over them. But I am not the only
one who is incompetent and hitherto I have not heard of anyone who
can
answer to all questions. If
you think you are competent probably is because of one of the following two
reasons.
- You are a special living creature from another world
or planet
- you don´t know that even you is incompetent and in
this case you are more incompetent than me because I at least know that I am
incompetent. If you mean I am incompetent about DD, depends
to your definition of DD.
If your defintion of DD is an exact copy of Switzerlands
political system, you are still right about my incompetence because I don´t even
know all details about laws and political system
in Sweden there I have been living since 35 years. In
this case I bet that not even you know all details about political system and
all rules and laws governing in Switzerland even if you
probably know more than me. For general definition of DD I refer to the following
definition and the related link from Wikpedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy Direct democracy, classically termed pure democracy,[1] comprises a form of democracy and theory of civics wherein sovereignty is lodged in the assembly of all citizens who choose to participate. Depending on the particular system, this assembly might pass executive motions, make laws, elect or dismiss officials, and conduct trials. Direct democracy stands in contrast to representative democracy, where sovereignty is exercised by a subset of the people, usually on the basis of election. Deliberative democracy incorporates elements of both direct democracy and representative democracy.[2] Many countries that are representative democracies allow for three forms of political action that provide limited direct democracy: initiative, referendum (plebiscite) and recall. Referenda can include the ability to hold a binding referendum on whether a given law should be rejected. This effectively grants the populace which holds suffrage a veto on government legislation. Initiatives, usually put forward by the populace, force the consideration of laws or amendments (usually by a subsequent referendum), without the consent of the elected officials, or even in opposition to the will of said officials. Recalls give people the right to remove elected officials from office before the end of their term, although this is very rare in modern democracies. This definition talk
about democracy, laws and everything which affect citizens life in the society
they are living in which is much more extensive than only finance
system.
After all, what is
important for me and motivates me to take part in this and some other DD site´s
discussion was not to follow slavish definition and rules defined by
others.
What is important for me is to take back my right to affect and
influence the society I am living in by myself and not by illegal
representatives. This right has been stolen from me and
other
citizens similar to
me by so called representatives and
leaders against my and many other citizens will. These shameless leaders lies
about that they are representing me, because I don´t
take part in ellections
and vote for them.
You wrote people don´t
follow me because I am incompetent. I am happy for that because I principally am
against leadership and because of the same reason don´t like to lead
others.
You Lucas trying to
teach me how important finance, money and banks are but forget money was
invented in my country long before your civilizations existed.
Could you please
explain for me if money is that important how all other living animals survive
with no money? Many of them has been living on earth long before and will
survive long
after human
beings.
Do you know that there
are still human tribes and isolated societies who don´t use money? Can you explain for me if finance and banks are so
important, how human societies survived
before invention of
money and banks?
You talk about
Switzerlands political system as a bible for direct democracy. Do you
really belive that these rules can be used in all countries and
societies to achieve direct democracy?
Do you know that there
are countries which most of citizens are suffering of hunger and easily can sell
their vote for a piece of bread?
Because I am not
competent I don´t beleive you can copy Switzerland´s political system in all
countries and achieve real DD which is for me peoples direct government and
influence over
their society with or
without money and banks. How DD can be realized in practice in different
countries and societies must be decided by individual in these societie in a
democratic way
which can result to
very different rules and practical politic system compared with
Switzerland.
After all I don´t
understand why my incompetent bother you so much that you write in aggression
and panic.
I suggest you make
cmpetence according Luca´s definition as precondition for membership in your
site if this is so important for you.
Hopefully when you
succeed to change your societies to direct democracy you can also forbid mothers
to give birth to incompetent childrens.
Why should I mind if
you call me competent or incompetent. I am a living creature made of flesh,
blood and bone who struggles to survive and enjoy my life as
possible.
You don´t need neither
to worry about nuclear bombs against Iran because government of Iran is
settled by support of western and industrial countries and doing exactly as they
want.
This government
exterminated underground left parties in few years in favour for western
countries when the shah and his father did not succeed during all their
govenment times.
They are destroying
economy, industry, agricultue and education in Iran to make it depended of
selling their oil in cheap prices to west exactly as they want.
Why should west attack
such a government? which government could be more efficient for completing wests
desires?
Regards
Hamid
From: Luca Zampetti
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 5:56 PM
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: Re: [WDDM] World Government GO AND DO IT IN WASHINGTON.
LZ Da: Bruce Eggum <bruce.eggum(at)gmail.com> A: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net Inviato: Sab 2 gennaio 2010, 16:54:49 Oggetto: Re: [WDDM] World Government Dear Luca, Yes DD includes the things you mention and a lot more. Whatever the people decide. But first the people must use their power to petition authorized by Magna Carta and demand DD, Initiative and Binding Referendum. As it is the people, with the exception of Switzerland, have no direct method to express their demands to the UN, any nation, state, community. We can not even have direct decisions on Carbon, pollution, water use, land use, air contamination etc. Initiative is a word meaning idea, suggestion, plan, proposed law, petition etc. which introduces this to the people for consideration. If a substantial number [determined by the people] endorse the Initiative, it is brought forward to a Referendum so all people can have their say by voting for or against. A Referendum is the process we often call election which is the process of decision democratically or by consensus, [decided by the people.] Regards Bruce, by the way, I send many emails each day to President, Congress, Agency's, etc. Like talking to the wall. That is why we need DD so our demands are required to be implemented. Bruce Eggum Gresham Wisconsin, USA Health Care http://tinyurl.com/ycx9vpz http://usinitiative.com http://vote.org/ On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 9:27 AM, <Luca Zampetti>
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