| From: | Luca Zampetti <luca_zampetti(at)yahoo.it> |
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| Date: | Sat, 2 Jan 2010 14:28:12 +0000 (GMT) |
| Subject: | Re: [WDDM] World Government |
Dear Luca,
Your disrespectful HOLLERING AND PUTTING PEOPLE DOWN is quite intolerable. Please converse in acceptable manner.
Luca you repeatedly put down the Swiss way as inadequate, which makes me think you do not understand the concept.
The choice is:
government running all of us [representative government RD] which means they are in charge of money, our behavior and everything. or
all of the people running government [referred to as Direct Democracy DD]. With DD Initiative and Binding Referendum the people can maintain the power to alter and operate their government as they choose.
Presently RD is in control in most governments. With RD in control, the government controls the money and everything, Not paying taxes, demonstrations, petitions, electing other representatives does not change this.
Of course DD is not a magical thing, it simply gives the people the power. DD is simply a democratic process which can be used if the people choose to use it. The key here is democratic because it takes work to develop an Initiative and garner the necessary support.
You want control of finances, money. What are you going to do with that power? Should I trust you to control our money? Do you have a written plan with checks and balances? Who audits your control of our money? How will you determine the value of our money in relation to the rest of the world?
No Lucca, first we establish the people's power with DD. Than the people must develop the infrastructure they choose, including how they control their money. This will likely be a continuous process.
Regards, Bruce
Who said here that what is needed is an ARMY of DIRECT DEMOCRATS, ME OR YOU?
I mean 99% of the people flooding this website with EVERYTHING, except for direct democracy.
There can be only 2 reasons for this: either you (this is a plural, not a SINGULAR) don´t know what you are talking about or you are hypocrits ... in some cases of course both apply.
You is both singular and plural in English, Hamid, independently of the number of countries where you or others have been living .... that´s a chance of nature, not a political matter.
Study Swiss constitutional law, Hamid, then you can answer a large part of your questions by yourself, as anybody else here can do. It´s written since 1848, just read it - AND TRY TO UNDERSTAND IT.
Then there is the problem that that model of direct democracy, which is the ONLY ONE WORKING THAT IS KNOWN, is not sufficient.
For example it does not address the issue of monetary justice, it does not instutionalize constitutional assemblies and has other missing points.
Do you really think that there is some other mean for controlling the state than controlling its money?
Of course there is no other means.
You want to have a world of peace?
THEN YOU NEED TO CONTROL DIRECTLY THE STATES FINANCIAL BEHAVIOUR, OF ALL STATES.
How is the state controlling you? PERHAPS CONTROLLING YOUR MONEY, YOUR CREDIT AND YOUR DEBTS? EVEN WHEN YOU SLEEP? It that possible, Hamid?
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE AMONG STATES HAMID, THEY ARE LIKE WASHING POWDER: JUST THE LABEL IS DIFFERENT, THEY DO ALL THE SAME JOB - AND World Government is GOING TO THE THE SAME ... OR WORSE. AND ON TOP OF THEM YOU FIND EVERYWHERE THE SAME PARASITES: THE MONEY LENDERS BACKFEEDING POLITICIANS WHO SERVICE THEM.
We are here discussing this because since 1776 the rich are abusing legislative AND OTHER POLITICAL POWERS of formally constitutional government to keep poor human beings under conditions of enslavement, even if they are endowed with "constitutional rights".
Read Federalist Papers 19 and 42 AND FINALLY UNDERSTAND WHY THE SYSTEM OF REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT EXISTS - AND NEEDS TO BE "EXPORTED" OR EXTORTED ALSO FROM THOSE WHO REJECT IT.
NOONE IS ALLOWED TO REJECT IT, AS LONG AS PEOPLE CAN BE ENSLAVED BY DEBT.
LZ
Da: Hamid Mohseni <esi1mohseni2(at)hotmail.com>
A: World Direct Democracy <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Inviato: Sab 2 gennaio 2010, 13:24:30
Oggetto: RE: [WDDM] World Government
You don´t know enough about me to state that I am incompetent.
I have been living and seen many different countries with different culture and political and economical reality.
Do you think those in power give up their power and accept your financial refrandum?
What are your alternative and how practically are you going to implement them alone?
Hamid
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