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02453: RE: [WDDM] Agree or Disagree

From: "Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan" <vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com>
Date: 24 Nov 2009 02:18:19 -0000
Subject: RE: [WDDM] Agree or Disagree

Dear Hamid and All,
May I suggest that spreading DD principles can be initiated effectively by setting up an "Association of Independents" web platform as explained in the thread on the WDDM social network forum?

Vijayaraghavan


On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:50:06 +0530 wrote
>Thank you.
>I viewed the simpol sight andit seems reasonable for me. I hope spreading DD principles in the world support simpols
>visions and hopefully we will have a world governed by people foreveryones best
>
>Regards
>
From: dnevrghm(at)powerup.com.au
>Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:57:15 +1000
>To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
>Subject: Re: [WDDM] Agree or Disagree
>
>Hamid,
The bet developing hope for a fairer, more sustainableCOUNTER-INTIMIDATION is a registered majority (or balance-swinging minority) of voters inENOUGH marginal jurisdictions to oblige office-seekers to join the committed Simpol [www.simpol.org] adopters.
–Doug Everingham.
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From: Rachel.Pemberton(at)aph.gov.au
Subject: Parliamentary Review
Date: 18 November 2009 6:42:02 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

>
On 19/11/2009, at 12:11 AM, Luca Zampetti wrote:

Hamid,

you can ask these categories of self-appointed beings or of agents of hidden powers many things, all things you want, no one will listen ... or rather they will apparently listen with one ear and transmit to direct output for discharge with the other ... Ostrogorski once said that the state is a (relatively) stable institution because it has a generalized capability for INTIMIDATION on its subjects, who, according to some should not be called subjects, but deserve to be deemed "Citizens", at least as if ... well: you can expect to be heard ONLY if you have some power of COUNTER-INTIMIDATION on these people ... until they have the power to buy media and votes and you don´t, nothing will change ... until there will be such a COUNTER-INTIMIDATION thing, everybody needs to take care not to snarch so loud as to wake up his own or somebody else´s dog ...

Luca Zampetti

Da: Esi <esi1mohseni2(at)hotmail.com>
A: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
InviaTo: Mer 18 novembre 2009, 14:18:22
OggetTo: Re: [WDDM] Agree or Disagree

Good idea
We can also present the result of discussions and votings for media and power elites and ask them to respect peoples will and not their own interests and decisions.
Hamid

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:38 AM
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Agree or Disagree

I recommend the formation of a multinational, multiethnic and multi-locational army for the export of DD from Switzerland all over the world, first of all US and Russia, maybe for 3rd to China ... and for zeroeth, to Italy ... as well as into the so-called "international" organizations ...

Luca Zampetti

Da: Doug Everingham <dnevrghm(at)powerup.com.au>
A:wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
InviaTo: Mer 18 novembre 2009, 07:30:46
OggetTo: Re: [WDDM] Agree or Disagree

Bruce,
Sociocracy is in practice more successful in increasing consensus than alternative
51% majority or other 'democratic' but not consensus-pursuing systems
Who then succeeds in "times [when] democratic vote is necessary"?
Abortion laws reach a variety of compromises related to the national, religious etc. cultures.
At one extreme, aborters and voluntary abortees are charged with murder.
At the other extreme, abortion is imposed on women for national, religious etc. reasons.
Similar compromising applies to the otherexamplesyou mention:
"... war, tax rate, climate issues, individual election to office ... "
Thus war is often launched by a relatively old, rich, powerful minority,
or by an oppressed, desperate populace,not a 51% popular ('democratic') vote,

Cheers
Doug
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On 17/11/2009, at 11:48 AM, Bruce Eggum wrote:

Doug, the example abortion was one of many examples I provided where "consensus" was unlikely, yet decisions need to be made. Thus there will be times democratic vote is necessary. There needs to be consideration of this need or sociocracy will hamper democracy.
Regards, Bruce

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Doug Everingham <dnevrghm(at)powerup.com.au> wrote:
Yes, Bruce, I miswrote sociography for sociocracy
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