Re: [WDDM] Weighted voting and Shadow Parliament

[Georges Metanomski <zgmet(at)yahoo.com>]

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, Lata Gouveia <latalondon(at)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Lata Gouveia <latalondon(at)yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [WDDM] Weighted voting and Shadow Parliament
> To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
> Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 5:10 PM
> I
> respect that.
===============It's reciprocal.
Regards
Georges.
==============> From:
> Georges Metanomski <zgmet(at)yahoo.com>
> To:
> wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
> Sent:
> Saturday, 10 October, 2009 9:45:07
> Subject: Re:
> [WDDM] Weighted voting and Shadow Parliament
>
>
> --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Lata Gouveia <latalondon(at)yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Lata
>  Gouveia <latalondon(at)yahoo.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [WDDM] Weighted voting and Shadow
> Parliament
> > To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
> > Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 12:19 AM
> > Why are you
> > talking in the past tense? Did it fail?
> =============> G:
> I'm talking about MY experiences, which, as all
> experiences in this
> world occurred in the past. Not my fault, I did not invent
> the world.
> All those I mentioned were successful. And their context
> keeps on
> happily going, even if, after 80 I ceased to be active:
> Kibbutzim do well and my French group (see below) lives
> free of
> windmills monster and does not buy meat.
> =============> L:
> > Citizen Mundi is happening now. That's what I
> meant by
> > the great
>  difference.
> =============> G:
> Not happening, just playing. Vive la difference.
> ============> L:
> > I did not come here to show you my medals or compare
> war
> > scars.
> ============> G:
> War scars may help to understand what peace and DD are
> about.
> Kibbutzim existed in Poland long before Israel was
> created.
> First one I knew was in Warsaw Ghetto, Mila str. secretary
> Mordechai
> Anielewicz. It was a Shomer ha Zair atheist, communist
> kibbutz,
> dreaming about a better equal world free of national and
> religious
> fanaticism, where "each gives following his capacity,
> each gets
> following his needs". In the real world the dream
> could come true only
> as the democratically chosen option to die upright,
> embodied by
> the Ghetto uprising.
> =============> L:
> > I actually agree with much of your content and, in a
> way,
> > it's what we're trying to do.
> > You dismiss "game" far too quickly.
>  Think of the possibilities if it becomes popular.
> > No political repression, it's just a
> "game"
> > so...if it gathers momentum, it could do something.
> ============> G:
> I don't "dismiss" your game. It's better
> than going to disco and get
> drunk. Only, its possibilities, however popular, are like
> those of
> Monopoly compared to the real stock exchange.
>
> Just one or two remarks.
>
> Groups which function D-Democratically seldom, if ever
> discuss DD.
> They have a status, which they had defined themselves at
> starting
> sessions and consider real problems, such as, in a kibbutz,
> oppening
> or not of some factory or school organization.
> In my French group of farmers and fishermen I had strong
> intellectual
> authority as the former researcher in Einstein's team
> and former
> prof of computer modeling, but I used it only in discussion
> and had
> just one voice.
> Instead of DD we discussed and decided two main
>  issues:
>
> 1.The noxious fraud of windmills. In spite of corrupted
> mayor, the
> farmers withdrew authorizations to build on their land,
> which meant
> considerable financial losses.
>
> 2.The criminally cruel and polluting battery breeding of
> livestock.
> Majority decision, applied by all, was to stop buying
> meat.
>
> Your stuff will move from "computer games" to
> "DD" the day when
> some of your players behave similarly in practice.
>
> And, as long as you cannot create a DD group of 100, the
> "mundi"
> will sound a bit ridiculous. Even, if you succeed in
> creating the
> real DD group, there is no logistic support for more than a
> few
> thousand, nor even specs for it. My "CN" is the
> only "3F" (I&D&R)
> Platform ever created and I described it in
> "Logistic" of my S.P.
> over-optimistically. It worked for 1000 participants, but
> there is
> not even the first idea of specifying, let alone
> programming, of
> synonym control
>  and filtering of heavy billions of posts generated
> by millions of participants.
>
> So have fun playing but beware of practice and reality.
>
> Regards
> Georges.