RE: [WDDM] Response to Hamid Mohseni

[Hamid Mohseni <esi1mohseni2(at)hotmail.com>]

Hi Jim

An employee ask the employer whole the time what to do. Pratctice politic in the world makes it obvious that politicians
on the contrary command and force their employers (voters) what to do.
If I as a voter don´t like it I can not stop my politician employee because he/she has all resources, police and military.

Regards
Hamid

> From: autoinfo(at)acenet.co.za
> To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:04:11 +0200
> Subject: RE: [WDDM] Response to Hamid Mohseni
>
> Hi All,
>
> The definition should be of the concept of DIRECT DEMOCRACY. "Democracy" was
> used by dictators and the apartheid regime of South Africa.
>
> My definition of Direct Democracy is where the voters are in control of the
> politicians
>
> Politicians are the employees of the voters. Voters decide who gets employed
> and voters pay the salary
>
> Everything should grow from this
>
> Regards
>
> Jim Powell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jiri Polak [jiri.polak(at)swipnet.se]
> Sent: 22 Sep 2009 03:03 PM
> To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
> Subject: Re: [WDDM] Response to Hamid Mohseni
>
> Dear all,
> I believe that most people agree that it is necessary to put forward a
> definition of the concept of DEMOCRACY most, if not all, people will approve
>
> and accept. In Athens 3.-4. October, at the second DDEV meeting, we will try
>
> to reach such an agreement. Anybody willing to participate at this
> discussion would be welcome. It is still time to contact the organizer,
> George Kokkas, geoko(at)otenet.gr if some of you would decide to go to Athens -
>
> the cradle of democracy and of the Western civilisation in general. A report
>
> from the meeting will be published in the usual channels.
> Sincerely, Jiri Polak
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fred Gohlke" <fredgohlke(at)verizon.net>
> To: <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 2:50 PM
> Subject: [WDDM] Response to Hamid Mohseni
>
>
> > Good Morning, Hamid
> >
> > re: "We should not forget that it is the present corrupt
> > democracies and diktator societies which gives enough
> > economicall and politicall power to few individuals and in
> > this way makes it possible for them to manipulate and
> > decieve peoiple by propaganda and other means."
> >
> > I agree with you, but I would point out that it is even more important to
> > understand how and why the democracies deteriorated to their present
> > state. If we don't understand how it happened, we can't prevent a
> > recurrence.
> >
> > The people are, indeed, manipulated and deceived. The work of B. F.
> > Skinner and the behavioral scientists lets our leaders (political and
> > commercial) milk us like cows ... and the growth of mass communications
> > has made their efforts inescapable. These people are very good at what
> > they do, and their success is the strongest argument against 'direct
> > democracy'.
> >
> > If we are to defeat deception and manipulation we must find people who are
>
> > superior to the deceivers and manipulators. We have such people among us.
>
> > What we lack is a means of finding them and raising them to positions of
> > leadership.
> >
> >
> > re: "In proper functioning democracies it would be more difficult
> > for few people to manipulate others for their own interest
> > because the power is shared between bigge number of
> > individuals."
> >
> > Of course, but what ... exactly ... is a 'proper functioning democracy'.
> > How is it organized? How does it work?
> >
> > It is easy to say the people must make all the decisions. It is not as
> > easy to say how they should do so. Will you allow public officials? How
> > will they be selected? What will be their role?
> >
> > Failure to consider these questions is what causes the huge gap between
> > the theory of democracy and its actual practice. It is precisely because
> > we have failed to consider these questions and provide sensible answers
> > for them that 'politicians' have been able to take control of our
> > governments.
> >
> > Fred Gohlke
>