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02229: RE: [WDDM] Why I support World Government?

From: "David Parker" <davefparker(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:22:43 -0700
Subject: RE: [WDDM] Why I support World Government?

I liked much of it. I see some real problems though. I relate some of my concerns below. I don't claim to call my notes scholarship, I just made them on the fly as I read through. I hope you don't find them discouraging for they are just my opinions and where I see inequity.


I'm dubious about the need for Lawyers. We have more than enough laws around the planet as it is. We need to do away with legal speak, person, register, human, apply, and all that crap. We need to scale back on prohibitions, not create a new department to write more. If their purpose is to deconstruct and dismantle things like marijuana prohibition, and seat belt fines as well as bring back habeas corpus good but we certainly don't need any one group dictating what we can and cannot do. We know from birth that it's wrong to kill our mothers and cheat our friends; we don't need to be told. Laws could be handled locally or through extradition. We are all peacemakers. We abdicate far too much responsibility. Have a few basic laws like no murder, assault, theft, fraud and slander/lying. Punish with exile to some remote islands for a period of cooling off/quiet time or do you prefer to maintain the concentration camp torture chamber gladiator school prisons we have now? Put the lawyers in with the criminals.


Criminals aren't born, they're raised. The preprogrammed parents tell lie vision and concentration camp public education systems with their Pavlovian bells breed selfish, lying aggressive drones for the current fear based system of control. You need fear bots to order society on an enemy figure.


I had issue with the 18 year old division. I feel children should be included from as early an age as possible. We used to go to work in the mines at 6. Why not start learning at six by reading and commenting with their own ideas at say 10


Childhood is a stage we need to get over it and grow up as quickly as possible so we can really begin to enjoy our life. We tell children all their lives, grow up, get a good education (comply with the state testing) get a good job (wage slavery with no complaint) get married, raise more drones, save for retirement, get drunk, beat your spouse, lie, cheat, steal all these things are good and fun, I saw them on the news, Oprah, Dr reality, American Idol worship, friends and two and a half liars. You be the Judge Judy.


On the Cultivators it wouldn't be hard to produce enough nutrient rich protein type of health bars with the companies already doing similar and converting coke Pepsi beer makers into healthy drink distributors all free for the entire planet. Don't make alcohol illegal just make people produce their own at home like us pot smokers have to do. Do away with the concentration camp style factory farms where the first day on the farm for a chicken it has its beak and tongue cut off. You want to eat meat? Raise and kill it yourself like my family did. I no longer eat meat and rarely shop at the corporate corners


On the Protective branch I have concerns. While democratically they may only have 11% physically they could take 100% against an unarmed citizenry. We all need to be peace makers in our community. I go back to my submission that all food, clothing, shelter, utilities and public transportation need to be provided free. Money is still earned through labor but it is non transferable and used for luxury items like pleasure craft, holidays, air travel, personal aircraft, skiing and sports equipment, items along those lines. By not having to scramble for a living you have time to think, reflect, invent, learn, join in scholarship and help out humanity when you are ready and willing.


We aren't ants and bees; we don't need soldiers and queens telling us what's best for us. We need to be give the proper information is all.


Armies support national boundaries and nations promote bigotry. I'm proud to be born here and the rest of you can go to hell is a pretty common theme in our current dystopia. Society is ordered on us having enemy figures. The state extracts the wealth of the nation in the form of taxes which it spends on wars against the manufactured enemy figures like Alien'Qaeda, Al'Qaeda aka the base or the Taliban aka the students both of which are secret service society creations wholly owned and operated by them. How can you recommend keeping these institutions? They are for nothing but death and destruction of the labor of man, rebuild, raze, and repeat. Did you ever watch Star Trek? The universe run by the Navy, everyone works for Starfleet and they have several enemy figures. This is our future if we keep those war pigs around.


I could see all military turned into construction companies for the rebuilding of the planet until things are livable then we could move to science drivers such as a real space program. Not more of those antique shuttles. How about a re-seed the ocean and rebuild the reefs project and reclaim the deserts by planting more hemp which is also the tree of life. You do know it's the only plant that has separate male and female sex, is the second strongest natural fiber, just try to get spiders to weave you a pair of pants. It's one of the highest proteins and complete nutrient rich food sources and makes the problems of the planet easier to see. It produces 4.1 times as much fiber for paper as an acre of trees and can be harvested at least once a year if not more instead of every 7 to 20 years. It makes twice as much ethanol from cellulose as corn. Currently Canadian hemp growers are getting $300.00 an acre compared to American corn farmers getting $30.00


I'm not certain but it would seem that your model is based on the premise of economic growth if I read the bankster elite section correctly. They are to go on creating money out of thin air and charging us interest on it thus ensuring a lifetime of debt slavery for future generations. Every dollar created has interest attached which is never created so must be stolen from some other debt slave because every dollar created is due back at the bank. This ensures an underworld crime community which you never took into account. The second biggest business on the planet is the illegal drug trade, second only to the arms industry.


By keeping money, greed and wealth accumulation in the equation you condemn the cycle to continue. “Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and control credit." credited to Josiah Stamp


I say do away with the elite section and let them scramble for a living with the rest of us. Give their section to the criminals, drug dealers, disenfranchised and unemployed and just plain lazy. With no money to be traded and made they will need something to do


The employment section is presented as the right to earn a living but what it actually seems to say to me is "earn the right to live" or get a note from your doctor. We will continue to be born into wage slavery, raised to be a specialist, with no broad knowledge of how the world works, as decided by the educators that watched and assessed you. The supposition is that the educators are benevolent, infallible god beings that never make mistakes in the future of children.


To think that because the protective group won't kill each other is one thing but there are eight other gangs to conquer. This sounds a little like Frank Herbert's Dune Dystopia. He who controls the spice controls the universe.


You still have us under parliament rule, House of Monarchs, House of Lords and the commons. Talk about being spit on. Yes your majesty, your lordship I am but a common man with nothing near your education or station in life. I know my place in your caste system.


This brings me to a point on citizen. To be a citizen, to parrot the state dogma. Global citizens like Rockerchild and others put out in the media for us to stand in awe of all proclaim themselves to be global citizens; it's a joke of course. It means they will travel anywhere they choose, take anything they like and kill anyone they want.


Gold is not really a resource we should care about. 158,000 tons mined if you do the math is only worth about 10 to 15 trillion dollars and half of it is in jewelry. The planets GNP are around 70 trillion. Gold and the gold standard are just shiny distractions, illusions, ways to keep people thinking that money is a good thing, look how it glitters. If the love of money is the root of all evil then the people that control and print the money, aka our state central Banksters, are the worst form of evil for they keep perpetuating this psychosis of wealth accumulation on us.


These are just my opinions and I could be wrong. The elite may give up their power and control, the Generals may become pacifists and the propagandists may begin to teach the truth. People will wake from their brainwashing and everything is going to be just fine. the wars will all end today. A massive campaign to feed the poor will be launched tonight and we will no longer have 25,000 people starving to death everyday. Hey I'm an optimist, what can I say.


Implementation of any new system is going to be tough to sell unless it maintains the status quo. That's why I thought a few million to create and launch it in the guise of a video game and social network. How about Everbest, World of Peacecraft, Commonwealth Commandos, Bankster Busters...


Until it becomes illegal I intend to continue thinking, hence I like the thinkers aspect but don't confine it to educated scholars, arresters, deacons and learned elders. Most of them are as brainwashed as that poor soul in the sweatshop or the bomb factory.



http://members.shaw.ca/davefparker/
http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/65.html

Cheers. Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Sabzali Khan [sayusufzai(at)gmail.com]
Sent: July 28, 2009 11:59 PM
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Why I support World Government?

Dears Bruce,Parker,Lata,Hamid and other Thinkers
As desired
Attached herewith the modified model/design of a Democratic system for World Government and World Democracy. I am of the view that it is  a perfect Democratic system in all respect and solves all  the prevailed local, national and international Political, social and economical problems of citizens of the World. Please study it deeply and convey your contructive response.
 sincerely
Sabzali Khan
Authors of True Democracy(Professionalism) for World Goverment.

On 7/27/09, Lata Gouveia wrote:
Mr Parker,
I have to say these were by far the two most interesting messages I ever read on WDDM. I just wrote an extensive 6 paragraph message but I chose to delete it. I agree with much of what you say, I am happy that someone else is seing the benefits of a weighted voting mechanism and surprised that you came up with the same terminology I have used in my personal ramblings. I would also add that anonimity (real anonimity, no parties, no celebrities in the electoral campaign process) would become (alongside with weighted voting) a necessary condition for a practical application of these ideas.

The reason why I deleted my previous response is that, quite simply, times have changed. I am a big Bill Hicks fan and... in little less than 20 years we find ourselves in a world where his opinions would no longer be broadcasteable, not only would today's middle classes despise his delivery... he simply would not be allowed to perform nowadays. We have been losing our personal rights and freedomes at a staggering rate, over the last 8 years. We also have this internet thing... a great tool no doubt, but we're supposed to use this tool to post pictures of our latest drunken exploits, not to call for political reform. They will see to that.

Quite simply, I think you are a brave man for putting yourself out there in this way. Sounds like science fiction, doesn't it? I wish it was so. We will soon fit the official definition of a word I won't spell here. Call me paranoid...

Either way, I think you're on the right track... I think your discourse could benefit from focusing on the practical aspects slightly more (which might give you more freedom/time to achieve something) but I understand that passion gets the best of us all at times. I enjoyed the website too...

Regards
Lata

--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Hamid Mohseni <esi1mohseni2(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Hamid Mohseni
Subject: RE: [WDDM] Why I support World Government?
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Date: Monday, 27 July, 2009, 6:42 AM


What I mean is that people like Ahmadinezhad, Pinochet and other corrupt and egoists does not eaven accept corrupt democracies and try by cheating, money and military change the system to toal dictatorships which gives them more power and fun in behalf of other peoples suffering. We can not live in blue and suppose that all people are gentle, educated and humanist. To apply and practice direct democracy world governent you
should also plan all details to stop risks for sabotage, decieving and violence against such a government. People must be able to trust this government and see advantages with implification of such a government.

So my question is how we can plan and apply such a government practically with regard to all risks and practical problems?

Hamid



Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:49:41 -0500
From: bruce.eggum(at)gmail.com
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Why I support World Government?

"so if you're going to create a World Government, you have to start with the perfect model."
I don't demand perfection, however if we develop a model capable of change with principles and limits defined we can together do this.
Competition would be improvement vs stagnation/disfunction.

Bruce Eggum
Gresham Wisconsin, USA
http://usinitiative.com
http://vote.org/



On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Lata Gouveia < latalondon(at)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Humm... ok.
I see what you mean by supporting World Government.
I have two issues with it. First of all, which system would this World Government adopt? I fail to see which one is the best beyond all doubt. Secondly, in the interest of evolution, if there were no competing models, there would be no empirical evidence to support reform, so if you're going to create a World Government, you have to start with the perfect model.
Look at how Obama is trying to reform health care in the US. I others models didn't exist that deliver better and fairer care for cheaper, he would not have an argument for reform.

The sentiment is good, though, I like it.
__

--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Hamid Mohseni < esi1mohseni2(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Hamid Mohseni < esi1mohseni2(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [WDDM] Why I support World Government?
To: "World Direct Democracy" <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Date: Sunday, 26 July, 2009, 5:56 PM


And I support your desire if the world is governed by direct democracy principles.
The question is how we can do install and practicize it?
There always exist individuals who wants more than others and don't respect other peoples rights. How can we defend people against such egoists which many of them are powerful and have illegal contact nets?

Wonder
Hamid

Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 04:06:27 -0700
From: sayusufzai(at)gmail.com
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: [WDDM] Why I support World Government?

As desired
Why I support World Government?

I support a World Government so that the present helpless effete UN may be substituted in to effective Democratic World Government. Who will treat the human beings on the base of humanity instead of nationality.

 I support a World Government so that the sustainable peace, prosperity and justice may be prevailed World wide equally.

I support a World Government so that the difference in standard of life between citizens of developed and under –developed countries may be equalized World wide equally. .

I support a World Government so that the true Democratic World Orders may be prevailed World wide.

I support a World Government so that the present Nation-to-Nation exploitation may be restricted.

I support a World Government because under which the human will enjoy the actual LIBERTY, as the present restrictions of boundaries among nations will be removed.

The human beings is basically and naturally the co-share and co-heirs of the whole Earth and its natural resources although as such it become human right to enjoy the resources of the Earth equally but under the prevailed orders it is impossible for each human being to enjoy it. Therefore I support World Government ander which the human beings on Earth will be able to enjoy his heir right World -wide equally.

I support a World Government because it will generate strict competition in the Markets of the World which will not only decrease the prices of commodities but also good quality of commodity will be available in all Markets of the World.

I support a World Government so that the local, national and international monopolization may be discouraged.

I support a World Government so that the poor nations and countries may be developed.

I support a World Government so that to share the Ruling power, better resources of income and high standard of life with Elite people.

I support a World Government so that the World standard Education system may be initiated everywhere on Earth.

I support a World Government because the prevailed worldwide terrorism could only be restricted through World Law under World Government.
The unity of the human community under World Government will lead to sustainable peace and prosperity.

It is stated briefly although there are numerous causes of supporting World Government.

Further details are available for interested Citizens /Thinkers.     

 Best wishes
Sabzali Khan yusufzai
Authors of True Democracy (Professionalism) for World Government.





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