Hello,
again, if you find 100 volunteers to implement your
project, it might develop as you suggest. The problem is that the vast majority
of people are too passive and lazy to move a finger. Except Germany (probably
due to that country´s traumatic experience), the DD movement consists of groups
of less than 10 activists in each coutry. But let´s not be discouraged. It´s
dogged does it.
Sincerely,
Jiri Polak
----- Original Message -----
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:05 PM
Subject: [WDDM] Re :[WDDM] What is the
AIM of WDDM? Mr. Jiri Polak and Mr. Bruce, I agree that crossing the
first threshold - having at least one (DD) person elected to a representative
body - would be crucial for the further success of the idea.
However my
feeling is that it may not require publicity and lot of money to
achieve that. In any case it is too far down the road to need consideration.
More important would be to get our focus correctly and design a good model to
start with.
Bruce keeps reiterating that WDDM should primarily focus on
disseminating knowledge and use of I&R. I have told him earlier that what
is the use of I&R if nobody is there in the govt. to heed it. Hence,
logically 'Association of Independents' should come first, from whom when
candidates indeed get elected, they would lend weightage to the I&R
results leading to their adoption.
Instead let me suggest how
I&R can be integrated into an "Association of Independents' web platform
(beforing moving on to the ground) with many more practical
benefits:
If from a particular electoral constituency let us
assume 100 people are members of the Association, having registered on
the site. On a issue concerning their area any one of them can bring in a
Initiative and ask for a vote from other members on that issue. Or if a govt.
action is questionable one can call for a referendum among the members and
call for a vote. The result can be intimated to the local govt. authority. The
govt. can ignore them but the people will be left with a practical tool to
make their voices heard. It would be a practical education on I&R for
the people. It would enhance the popularity of the site.
I hope that
everyone including Bruce would agree with this suggestion. Let us achieve
unity from diversity of opinions and move
forward.
Sincerely,
Vijayaraghavan P
On Sat,
2 May 2009 15:58:49 +0200 wddm@world-wide-democracy.net wrote
Dear
Mr.Padmanabhan, I have studied the system and method you propose. The
idea is good and it might work if a sufficient number of people, to begin with in at least one country, would begin organizing it and if they would overcome the firs threshold - having at least one person elected to a representative body. This would require a publicity campaign costing
millions. So it boils down to the problem of activists and money. At
present, I cannot contribute by anything more than this assessment. If
your movement takes off, please let me know. There can always be new
developments. For the time being I
remain, Sincerely, Jiri Polak
----- Original Message ----- From: Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 7:33 AM Subject: [WDDM] Re :[WDDM]
What is the AIM of WDDM? Mr. Jiri Polak, I am glad that you
agreed about the commonality of our views. Regarding your question on
how a Global Association of Independents (or World True Democracy
Platform - the name does not matter) can play a role in practical politics
I have explained it in my blog:
http://worldtruedemocracyplatform.blogspot.com/ A key point is
selection of a candidate from the members of the association in
a fair manner, to stand in a particular election. For this I find that the Triplet system is suitable. Kindly give your view on this. If a workable plan can be arrived at through discussion among members then it can be put to vote for implementing the same.Sincerely,Vijayaraghavan POn Fri, 1 May 2009 10:29:28 +0200
wddm@world-wide-democracy.net wroteDear Mr.Padmanabhan,I see that we are
on the same wavelength. I presume that your proposed Association of
Independents is meant to act on a global scale. I endorse it but I cannot
see how such an association could play a role in practical politics. So
far, DD organisations are small (except the Mehr Demokratie in Germany)
and unable to compete with the established Parties and Unions.
Nevertheless, it´s worth trying. We´ll see.With my best regards Jiri Polak----- Original Message ----- From: Vijayaraghavan
Padmanabhan To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009
8:23 AMSubject: [WDDM] Re :[WDDM] What is the AIM of WDDM?Mr. Jiri
Polak,Fundamentally we have similar ideas. I read your views in 'New
Political System'. Under the section 'How do we achieve this', I find that
your suggestion for creation of an "Association of Independents" to
contest elections and face political parties - http://www.planet-thanet.fsnet.co.uk/nps/nps2.htm#How%20do%20we%20achieve%20this? - is basically the same as what I have been suggesting. Only thing is that I am suggesting the creation of a web-based platform to facilitate the same process. Once again I reiterate - (1) It can form a nidus for action on the ground. (2) The potential of the internet can be harnessed to the utmost advantage.Sincerely,Vijayaraghavan POn Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:03:45 0200 wddm@world-wide-democracy.net wroteHello,I agree with what Bruce has written. If the aim of the new proposed discussion forum is to find an alternative to political parties, I will participate. Party power monopoly is not and cannot be democracy. Alternative models exist already, the problem is to realize them in political practice.Sincerely, Jiri Polak----- Original Message ----- From: Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 1:45 PMSubject: [WDDM] Re :Re: [WDDM] Re :[WDDM] What is the AIM of WDDM?Dear WDDM members,Bruce has not grasped what I have been trying to tell. To make things clear, I would like to know how many members feel the same way as Bruce. Keeping silent does not help anyone. I would urge Mirek to conduct a poll on this issue. Once for all the aim of WDDM should be decided. Vijayaraghavan POn Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:26:50 -0500 wddm@world-wide-democracy.net wroteDear Vijayaraghavan P and WDDM,First, we have determined the problemis Representative Government power itself. That is why citizens wantpower over their government, not simply to choose different people togovern us.Second, there will always be groupswhich form who have similar beliefs. It makes no difference if youcall them groups or think tanks or party's, they will always be there trying toinfluence to their way of thinking.If your group [Party] wants to fight party's gofor it, but that is not the AIM of WDDM. WDDM chooses to developpeople power by putting the people in charge of their governments. Ifyou agree with the AIM of WDDM than join us.Bruce[personal opinion posted as acitizen of the World and member of WDDM]Bruce EggumGresham Wisconsin, USA voteOn Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan wrote:Dear Mr. Jiri Polak,The proposed platform would indeed be another discussion channel but the discussion would be centered around developing an alternative to the concept of political parties. It would be tailored to putting up candidates in elections independent of political parties and hence would have a focussed target group.It can forma nidus for action on the ground.The potential of the internet can be harnessed to the utmost advantage.Sincerely,Vijayaraghavan POn Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:01:48 0200 wddm@world-wide-democracy.net wroteDear Mr.Padmanabhan,to set up the platform you propose is surely useful, but it can only become yet another discussion channel without any real impact on concrete political systems. A transformation into true democracy must be enforced in communes, villages, towns, regions and states by local people.There is no other way.Sincerely, Jiri Polak
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