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Bruce, l believe that a majority of society are
decent, there are some personality that go well with authoritative people,
but most people just want the simple life.
One challenge we could undertake as a group is to
develop a really constitution.
Regards Martin
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Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 7:04
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Subject: Re: [WDDM] Is Free Speech
FREE?
Dear Martin,
If we were being ruled by "Common
Sense" we would not be in the mess we are. I believe Common Sense is in short
supply.
Think about a group of people. How many practice common sense in
their lives?
I think at the very most10 our of 100.
Than there are
different views, and I expect we would argue about it like politics and
religion.
I think we have to define what it is we are doing and enforce
that, be it in corporations, government or family.
We as a group believe
that "democracy", the peoples choice is generally correct. This is group
thinking.
We must have a process to deliberate and come to that
decision.
That I believe is what our greatest challenge is.
All the
Best, Bruce
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:47 PM, < Annette and Martin>
wrote:
Bruce, Ricardo Semler who wrote the book
Maverick, in his company they got rid of all the rule books, and based
everything on common sense,he has one of the world fastest growing
businesses.
We have many things inserted into our minds
which we believe be absolute facts.
For example we are told war is about, so we can
free,to have liberty, but it really about murder,destruction,rape, and
asserting power, and making some very rich.
Bruce when
you had the debate about the Anarchist , which lead to some leaving, should
that have been moderated.
Where are the examples of these - false accusations, name calling
and character assignation.
I work for a company, the world largest mining
company, that treats the workers like children, which make the workforce
very frustrated, they have a rule for everything.
Semler calls it the military style of
management, so they feel in control.
Regards Martin
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To:
wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Sent:
Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:12 AM
Subject:
[WDDM] Is Free Speech FREE?
Vijayaraghavan, Giorgio, Martin, WDDM members,
Is free speech Free?
Free speech sounds like a given, as though
it is without “rules”. However, the people have long had rules of
engagement, even in war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement In
discussions there are rules limiting false accusations, name calling and
character assignation of your opponent. Without rules, people would likely
fall back on physical confrontation.
Parliamentary procedure is rules of
argument.
Charles rules of Argument are here and
contain some things to consider; http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2004/03/21/charles_rules_of_argument/
I have long agreed with Bernard’s idea of
local groups making decisions for their own community. Bernard’s Phoenix
is excellent, it has rules, a moderator; discussion has a procedure to
follow. http://www.planet-thanet.fsnet.co.uk/phoenix/index.htm
Whoever joins Phoenix, agrees to these “rules of argument” and it is a
sensible way to proceed. Any “local group” will likely develop its own
“rules of argument”.
WDDM is no different, we need to develop
“rules of argument”, and follow some procedure in making decisions.
[Necessary for Democracy] Often one person’s model is adopted by vote, or
the group can discuss individual procedures and adopt them. However, it is
necessary that procedures and rules of argument exist. Undefined process
such as be “polite” or discuss in a “civil manner” are useless for
“guidelines”. Once process is determined and adopted by democratic
procedures, it must be followed. Moderators are used to enforce the
procedures.
Sincerely, Bruce
Bruce
Eggum
Gresham Wisconsin, USA
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