| From: | "Jiri Polak" <jiri.polak(at)swipnet.se> |
|---|---|
| Date: | Sat, 7 Feb 2009 21:36:34 +0100 |
| Subject: | Re: [WDDM] Re: Hellenic DD / EUROVISION RULES 1 |
Hi All,
WDDM has been useful to me to exchange ideas and firm up the terms and
ideas
of direct democracy.
I have recently joined the Democratic Alliance as the most democratically
minded party in South Africa.
The following resolution was passed at the Alexandra/Wendywood branch in
Sandton, Johannesburg, South Africa:
Motion by the Alex/Wendywood DA Branch:
The Regional Management Committee of Gauteng South noting that:
1. The proportional system implemented at National, Provincial and Local
Government (excluding wards), promotes allegiance of public
representatives to their political parties and not to the voters.
2. Voters should have the right to recall all politicians before the end
of
their 5 year term, not only those attached to a ward.
3. Voters should have the right via referenda to initiate or change
legislation.
Therefore resolves:
1. That the DA actively promotes a system whereby all public
representatives are directly elected by a Constituency or Ward.
2. That the policy making organs of the DA investigate the practical
application of the principles of Direct Democracy and Recall.
3. That the policy making organs of the DA investigate the possibility of
introducing the principles of Direct Democracy and Recall into the DA
Manifesto for the 2009 election.
I have realised that it is all but impossible to change a system from
without when there is not a war.
Politicians are the employees of the voters as the choose who gets
employed
and voters pay the politicians salaries
Regards
Jim Powell
-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Rossin
Sent: 06 Feb 2009 05:15 PM
To: Jiri Polak
Cc: Giuseppe Strano; tobuz; Kevin Lone; George Kokkas;
cicdd(at)yahoogroups.com; wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: [WDDM] Re: Hellenic DD / EUROVISION RULES 1
Hallo Jiri,
this post of yours looks absolutely explanatory of the difference between
Representative- and Direct Democracy.
On 2000 at Athens Delphi by establishing WDDM I supported, then like
now, the DD idea of gathering more and more persons able to represent
just themselves. Unfortunately, the DD idea is still burdened by people
who keep on managing to disguise under the label of Direct Democracy
the old and odd representative democracy they are moulded with.
Regards,
antonio
Jiri Polak wrote:
Hello,
I just want to pont out that the idea of D E-V is different from that
of the WDDM established in 2000. The WDDM consisted of a few persons
who represented only themselves. I was sceptical from the beginning
but cooperated none the less. The D E-V, as I see it, has a much more
solid base: It is meant to be an association of established
ORGANISATIONS. This will probably require a somewhat different rules.
We have already a corner-stone - the Charter. It goes without saying
that nothing is fixed for ever. Development might show that some
changes would be desirable in future. I believe we all are
open-minded. But there must be some point of departure and I believe
our preparatory work is promising and solid.
Sincerely, Jiri
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Giuseppe Strano
*To:* tobuz ; Kevin Lone
<kevin.lone(at)wanadoo.fr> ; Antonio Rossin
<rossin(at)tin.it> ; George Kokkas <geoko(at)otenet.gr> ;
jiri..polak <jiri.polak(at)swipnet.se>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:13 PM
*Subject:* Re: Hellenic DD / EUROVISION RULES 1
1) I don't agree with rules 1 and 2.
2) I never liked rules establish primary or special roles for
founding members, especially when the new members coming in a
second time should have less power than the founders.
3) Founding an international network of dd people and orgs is a
very good thing, maybe a must for the growth of all the dd
movement. But only if the rules are themselves dd rules. I already
done big errors in the past sayng yes at "provisional" rules not
dd for the sake of unity, or other "pragmatical" needs or under
pressure of lack of time. So if these are the initial set of rules
of this DD-eurovision I'm sorry but I will let you continue
without me.
The means by wich we build the direct democracy are crucial ones.
We cannot build democracy forgetting it.
4) I understand that maybe someone of you is thinking about next
european elections, but I cannot be able to see how such not dd
network (indeed it seems to me only an electoral trick), could be
useful for a real step toward a better spreading of dd ideas.
Regards,
(as usual sorry for my "english".)
Pino strano.
Il giorno 03/feb/09, alle ore 01:52, tobuz ha scritto:
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From : Jiri Polak
To : George Kokkas's Law Office
Cc : "Iason Yannis Schizas (Schizas.com)"
iason.schizas(at)schizas.com,tobuz
Date : Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:19:37 +0100
Subject : Re: Hellenic DD
Dear George,
I think that we leave it to you whether you will invite them or
not. Obviously, you know the situation in Greece better than me
or Federico.
Sincerely, Jiri
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I THINK WE SHOULD FOLLOW UP A COMMON LINE TO AVOID MESSING UP
EVERYTHING, THAT IS :
1
IN THE DD-EUROVISION THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE FOUNDING MOVEMENT FOR
EACH COUNTRY
2
THESE MOVEMENTS WILL COHORDINATE ALL OTHER MOVEMENTS IN THE
SINGLE COUNTRIES IN THE FOLLOWING WAY
2.1
EACH SINGLE MOVEMENT WILL TAKE PART IN LOCAL ELECTIONS WITH ITS
OWN NAME AND LOGO, INSTEAD FOR NATIONAL/EUROPEAN ELECTION THEY
TAKE PART WITH THE NATIONAL DD-NAME AND LOGO, THESE BEING
UNDERSTOOD AS NAME AND LOGO OF THE NATIONAL MOVEMENT WHICH IS A
FOUNDING MEMBER IN THE DD-EUROVISION.
2.2
IN OTHER WORDS THERE SHOULD BE ONLY MEMBER FOR EACH SINGLE
COUNTRY IN THE DD-EUROVISION.
ALL OTHER MOVEMENTS FROM THE SAME COUNTRY SHALL FOLLOW UP THE
ORGANIZATION GIVEN BY THE MOVEMENT WHICH IS A MEMBER IN
DD-EUROVISION.
ALL THE RULES, OF COURSE SHALL COMPLY WITH MAJORITY RULE, BOTH
INSIDE EACH SINGLE COUNTRY AND INSIDE DD-EUROVISION.
THE ABOVE IS RATHER CONFUSED, I KNOW, WE SHOULD TRY AND IMPROVE
IT SO THAT WE CAN PRESENT IT IN PRAG AS ONE OF THE ORGANIZATION
RULES.
NOW...YOU IMPROVE IT BOYS
FRED
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