Re: [WDDM] The Venus Project

["Annette and Martin" <ajackson123(at)bigpond.com>]

Antonio, have you heard of The Venus Project,only come accross this
recently,one of their goals is to build a world without the need for money.

Below is off the website.

The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails
nothing less than the total redesign of our culture. There are many people
today who are concerned with the serious problems that face our modern
society: unemployment, violent crime, replacement of humans by technology,
over-population and a decline in the Earth's ecosystems. As you will see,
The Venus Project is dedicated to confronting all of these problems by
actively engaging in the research, development, and application of workable
solutions. Through the use of innovative approaches to social awareness,
educational incentives, and the consistent application of the best that
science and technology can offer directly to the social system, The Venus
Project offers a comprehensive plan for social reclamation in which human
beings, technology, and nature will be able to coexist in a long-term,
sustainable state of dynamic equilibrium.

The plans for the Venus Project offer society a broader spectrum of choices
based on the scientific possibilities inherent in current technology and
direct that knowledge toward a new era of peace and sustainability for all
cultures. Through the implementation of a resource-based economy, and a
multitude of innovative and environmentally friendly technologies directly
applied to the social system, The Venus Project proposals will dramatically
reduce crime, poverty, hunger, homelessness, and many other pressing
problems that are common throughout the world today.

One of the cornerstones of the organization's findings is the fact that many
of the dysfunctional behaviors of today's society stem directly from the
dehumanizing environment inherent in the existing monetary system. Moreover,
the currently utilized random implementation of automation and other
technologies have resulted in a fragmented, self-defeating trend occurring
throughout the manufacturing and high-tech sectors of today's global
economy--namely the technological replacement of human labor by machines.
The Venus Project proposes a social system in which automation and
technology would be intelligently applied and integrated into an overall
social design where the primary function would be to maximize the quality of
life rather than profits. This project also introduces a set of workable and
acceptable human values that are more appropriate and in balance with our
present state of technology.

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

Some very interesting times in the financial systems.
All the best,
Martin Jackson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Antonio Rossin" <rossin(at)tin.it>
To: <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] WDDM Charter and up-coming meeting


> Bruce,
>
> Let's suppose, WDDM stands for Worldwide Direct Democracy Movement,
> not for Inner Direct Democratic Bureaucracy Group.
>
> Thanks to Mirek, WDDM is already functioning very well as a reference web
> site for Democracy, as far as I can see -- and has nothing to decide
> instead of ,
> and in behalf of, the people :  to wit, upon the people, top-down.
>
>
> Wishing you serendipity, best regards
>
> antonio
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Bruce Eggum ha scritto:
> > Dear Tonini,
> >
> > You are right that "Charter coming from the top does not serve the
> > purpose of establishing DD".
> > That is why "the people" of a community or group must establish the
> > Charter for their community or group.
> >
> > That is why WDDM has always encouraged everyone to meet locally and
> > advocate that some form of  I&BR be established to begin whatever form of
> > DD the local people choose.
> >
> > WDDM, which is a community, must establish methods for WDDM to function.
> > We need to discuss how we can implement our goal of education and
> > initiation of Direct Democracy throughout the world. So this WDDM
> > community must have it's own WDDM Charter which provides a way for WDDM
> > to make decisions, only about WDDM and for WDDM. The people of WDDM are
> > the members and are referred to as the "bottom" of WDDM and the people
> > making decisions are the "Top". In order for the members to have input, a
> > fair method must be created to discuss, initiate petitions, and finally
> > decide on the matter [for WDDM]. This function is missing in WDDM and
> > since no decision is taken, endless bickering continues.
> >
> > This may be a bit of a lesson, without established accepted procedure no
> > community could unite in a decision or function. The first step in a
> > meeting is to call to order and decide how to function. Usually the group
> > appoints one to function as chairperson who recognises who will speak so
> > all dont speak at once. Often a person keeps notes. These are basic but
> > necessary "rules" established by the group to function. This is what a
> > WDDM Charter is, and we have no functioning WDDM Charter. We do not want
> > to make a Charter for the world, or for your government. We simply want
> > to establish a method for WDDM to function.
> >
> > Unfortunately Antonio has never grasped this concept and continues to
> > think we are trying to make a Charter for the world which is a bit
> > grandiose in the least.
> >
> > I hope this clarifys a bit. The world is one big argument. If we want to
> > make resolution to these arguments, we need "rules of engagement"
> > [discussion] and procedures to make decisions, [Initiative and
> > referendum].
> >
> > Please visit the WDDM website. The FORUM provides a proper platform for
> > discussion, initiative and decision. Unfortunately it is not utilized
> > enough. As young people join I hope it will be used more.
> > http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/
> >
> > Thank you for joining us and contributing to our discussion.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > <http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/>
> > Bruce Eggum
> > Gresham Wisconsin, USA
> > http://www.doinggovernment.com/
> > Check out my Blog too
> > http://bruceeggum.blogster.com/
> > http://usinitiative.com
> > On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 2:57 PM, <tobuz> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi everybody,
> >     let me say first of all that I am surprised in reading some
> >     offending words in this discussion.
> >     Direct Democracy is based on the respect for all opinions.
> >
> >     Coming to the matter uner discussion :
> >     I believe Antonio is right if he thinks that a Charter coming from
> >     the top does not serve the purpose of establishing DD.
> >     The power of political parties and their masters (stock exchange
> >     financiers) will never permit this to happen.
> >     Thus, in my opinion, DD can be established only proceeding from
> >     the bottom up.
> >     In my opinion a Charter can serve in having DD managed after being
> >     accepted as the ruling procedure.
> >     To me the magic word is education, in the first instance from
> >     political movements ( DD movements ) explaining the concept of DD
> >     to the citizens and convincing them to make a change in the
> >     procedure to rule the nation.
> >     When this is done, all the rest will follow.
> >
> >     We at Democrazia Federale are doing just this, opening up DD
> >     groups all over our country and spreading the idea.
> >     Have a good night
> >     Federico Tonini
> >
> >     ---------- Initial Header -----------
> >
> >     >From      : Antonio Rossin
> >     To          : wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
> >     Cc          :
> >     Date      : Tue, 16 Sep 2008 23:34:05 +0200
> >     Subject : Re: [WDDM] WDDM Charter and up-coming meeting
> >
> >
> >     Subsequently, these simpletons present the problem of
> >     the worldwide lack of Direct Democracy as if it were a lack of a
> >     fitter DD charter exclusively.
> >     Even worse, by doing so they do deviate  the people's
> >     attention from what the people themselves could do directly and
> >     responsibly by their own, to what the leaders like to point out to
> >     them as a charter to follow.
> >     ......
> >     Another good example of DD at work, IMHO, it is the Homeschooling
> >     initiative mostly in the U.S.
> >     .....
> >     To summarize, the success of Democracy -- and of every similar
> >     problem involving people as a whole -- foresees two intervention
> >     levels:
> >     Level One:
> >     interventions on the offering of Democracy, like DD charters,
> >     DD laws, DD models etc.  Let's call this, in short, "top-down"
> >     Level Two:
> >     interventions to increase the people's overall demand of a
> >     democratic social arrangement.
> >     Plainly, this kind of demand is a matter of basic education
> >     family education) growing it from bottom up.
> >     ***************
> >
> >     Well now, to stick to te point:  Direct Democracy, in everybody's
> >     experience, is unlikely to succeed if we were unable to make these
> >     two intervention levels match together.
> >     .......
> >
> >     "The officer's terms were due for new election and discussion
> >     about a definition of Direct Democracy caused much confusion in
> >     the WDDM group meeting the last couple years."
> >     ........
> >     I couldn't resist.
> >     The confusion in the WDDM group was due to those guys (with Bruce
> >     as their champion) who managed to fix the "lack of  Democracy"
> >     problem by being active at 'Level One'  exclusively -- i.e., by
> >     managing to exclude the 'Level Two' issues away from the WDDM
> >     debate up to now.
> >
> >
> >      Jim Powell wrote:
> >     Hi All,
> >     I have to respond to Antonio
> >     Bruce has put much effort into the new charter.
> >     I believe that this is a model that can be used as a reference for
> >     communities to develop DD.
> >     It is obvious Antonio, that this is developed in WDDM.