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From: Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it>
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:06:36 +0200
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Re: [epistemology] Re: [WDDM] King Charles' Head

Dear Georges,

Let's agree, there is no chance to understand each other, if you
insist to communicate contents there where I'm questioning you
about the communication method.


Regards,

antonio





Georges Metanomski ha scritto:
Strange that I pop up in Antonio's kites like the head of King
Charles in those of Mr Dick. I believe that if he tried very very
strongly, he could eventually keep me out. But then, I'm a layman,
not a psychiatrist like Antonio. So, Medice Curate Ipsum.

Georges



--- On Wed, 9/3/08, Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it> wrote:
From: Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it>
Subject: [epistemology] Re: [WDDM] Fw: PROFESSOR WICHMAN EMAIL
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Cc: epistemology(at)yahoogroups.com, "mikebispham" <mikebispham(at)aol.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 6:00 AM








Doug, and all,



I strongly appreciate your well-balanced post.



Let me add, the evil trouble is not the contents of the misleading,

brainwashing or otherwise convincing mechanism.



Instead the evil trouble appears to be just the the misleading,

brainwashing or otherwise convincing mechanism itself - no

matter which the contents of "truth", be it a holy, a political

or else a scientific truth may be.



This is why I cannot appreciate Georges' posting, since and

until the communication mechanism he adopts to defend and

support his scientific topics suffers from the same misleading,

brainwashing or otherwise convincing attitude (including the

recurrent capitalization of the Holocaust) .





Best regards,



antonio



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Doug Everingham ha scritto:
Georges and all,



I agree that we should condemn all crimes and movements

that declare criminal aims.

I am sure there are promoters of Sharia law and Jihad who

should be charged, tried and duly restrained or treated for crimes.

However, just as there were Nazis who did good things despite

the crimes done in the name of Nazi 'justice' there are (until

proven guilty) Moslems misled, brainwashed or otherwise

convinced that THEIR Jihad means a just struggle for a just world

order under a merciful god and THEIR Sharia a just legal system.

Many such innocents in policy discussions appear to be trying

to reason and negotiate on an equal basis with upholders of other

creeds and regimes, as sincerely as some in armed forces

occupying Palestine (including some Jews), Iraq (including some

Christians), or West Irian/Papua (including some Moslems)



I apologize if in seeking to avoid 'tarring' the whole of some group

with the same 'brush' I may have done the opposite.




For humanity and our planetary ecosystem united n diversity,



– Doug

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From: Georges Metanomski <zgmet@yahoo. com>


Date: Tue Sep 2, 2008 12:32:23 AM Australia/Brisbane


To: wddm@world-wide- democracy. net


Subject: Re: [WDDM] Fw: PROFESSOR WICHMAN EMAIL


Reply-To: wddm@world-wide- democracy. net




--- On Mon, 9/1/08, Doug Everingham <dnevrghm@powerup. com.au>
wrote:




George Metanomski and all friends,




Like Prof. Wichman I am offended by personal, religious or


institutional breaches of human rights.




However, I don't distribute his email because he also offends USA,


religious and UN human rights – by accusing indiscriminately the


Islamic organizations for the offenses of some of their minorities and


individual members. He condemns Sharia law but not Old Testament and


some churches' and anti-Islamic governments' laws which prescribe


similar vindictive and atrocious penalties.


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G:


I'm disappointed by these assertions of a reasonable and


civilized person like yourself. "He" does not condemn


Sharia Law, but concrete atrocious crimes committed


by Islamists colonizing the West. Do you really not see


the difference between "prescriptions" of some old


parchment and concrete contemporary crimes?


Mutatis mutandis, would you condemn an Auschwitz inmate


for "indiscriminately" accusing Nazis? Strictly speaking


he would be wrong. Indeed, only a small minority of Nazis


perpetrated atrocities. Most were busy building one of


the best ever Socialisms with wonderful KDF welfare, full


employment, etc. Some, like Schindler or Herr Happke who


saved our family, were outright humane and courageous,


as it took risks to be humane. And yet, in Warsaw Uprising


and in the partisans I shot at view at any Nazi within the


range of my Sten and have no pangs of conscience about it.


Because, you see, we were at war, at a just defensive war


against a cruel inhumane aggression and in war you don't


justify your aggressor by some stupidity, your ancestors


could have written thousands of years ago, but defend


yourself an fight him.


And so are we now. In WWIII, aggressed by Jihad. Since


1948 locally in Israel and since 9/11 worldwide. I lived


both aspects. First, in Israel as commandos involved


in numerous actions including liberating two shools taken


hostage by Fatah. Feeling again like in Warsaw Ghetto,


besieged by overwhelming power openly aiming at


extermination of my people, through pitched invasions


alternated with terrorism. It was tough, but upright.


Embodying Mordechai Anielewisz's "don't pull your pants


down, but stand up and fight", which I followed in Warsaw.


Ghetto.


Having moved to Europe I found the disgusting attitude of


pulling the pants down in face of the ignoble invasion,


hypocritically dressed up as Tolerant Humanism.


The fact is that we are facing the third invasion of the West by


the barbaric Islamist Jihad. The first was pushed away


by Charles Martel at Poitiers, the second by the Polish king


Sobieski at Vienna and the third we are losing mainly due to


pseudo-humane intellectuals of Cambridge Club type,


forming invader's fifth column. Recently the British


Government pulled its pants lower than ever by barring


the Holocaust teaching from the compulsory school


curriculum. It hurt the delicate feelings of Pakistani


colonisers and thugs periodically training in Al-Quaida


camps.


Working as Gestapo penetration agent, I have formed


a friendship with an IS officer on a coordination mission.


Having learnt this cowardly act, he wrote to me saying -


I never thought that I could be ashamed to be English.


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We should condemn the illegal jailing and torture of Moslems, Arabs or


other suspects by western governments as we condemn suicide bombing of


westerners and innocents.


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G:


Why this tendentious enumeration? Should we not condemn


all crimes? And, good Lord, should we innocent some


crimes because of some other ones? An attorney defending


his pedofile murderer by saying that somewhere else


somebody broke in a bank and killed the cashier would


soon be barred.


Islamist crimes should be considered as such, without


being diluted by irrelevancies such as smuggled in anti-


semitism.




Georges


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