Re: [WDDM] Regarding the social network site

[Georges Metanomski <zgmet(at)yahoo.com>]

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Georges
--- Giorgio Menon <giorgio.menon(at)pd.infn.it> wrote:

> Georges Metanomski wrote:
>
> >
>
> http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/POLITICS/shadow_eng.html
> > and the comments below.
> >
> > QUOTE
> > SINCERITY.
> > It is the critical condition: members must be
> > capable to conceive and accept local, i.e.
> > personal sacrifices involved by the global
> > improvement. This short phrase implies a
> > fundamental change of mentality, replacement of
> > present egoism with something similar to the
> > attitude of Israeli Kibbutzim.
>
> Here we go again. Global improvement? Yes, Kibbutzim
> are exactly there
> for, if Global means Israel. If global means
> Palestinians, then  we're
> already fighting WWIII, says he.
> I've copied an old message of Georges where he
> claims:
>
> "Whatever services gotten, Kibbuzim contribute
> more than they get. Israeli fighter pilots and
> special
> units undergo the by far toughest selection in the
> world, aiming not at heroes or iron discipline, but
> at complete, sincere human beings."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epistemology/message/2499
> and he specifies that:
> " By "complete, sincere human being" I understand
> somebody whose all essential faculties have been
> optimally developed and who uses them in a sincere
>  optimally equilibrated way."
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epistemology/message/2523
> Thanks to Georges' first hand testimony we now know
> that:
> 1-people living in Kibbutzim are complete, sincere
> human beings
> 3-all their "essential faculties" (?!?)  have been
> optimally developped
> 2-they have little ego (if any) and therefore move
> just for global
> improvement
>
> This is an excellent starting point, no?
> What sort of results do these "complete, sincere
> human beings" at times
> produce?
> Death and distruction.
> Some maths: kibbutzim (says Georges) train 90% of
> jetfighter pilots.
> Those pilots are to be held responsible for the
> distructions and deaths
> of the Lebanon war.
> Over 33 days, Israeli jets killed up to 1,200
> Lebanese civilians and
> bombed houses, hospitals, ambulances, refineries,
> and roads.
>
> I think that, thanks to people in good faith like
> Georges, kibbutzim are
> a good investment for Israel and zionism. That's why
> they are constantly
> supported by the Israeli government. I don't deny
> that people in
> kibbutzim may be happy. I reject the idea that those
> "complete, sincere
> human beings" are committed to global improvement
> though. Wars are NEVER
> a global improvement, just a global impoverishment
> in terms of pain,
> sorrows, wealth and wellbeing. But yes, this global
> impoverishment
> begets huge local wealth (bankers, military
> industries etc...).
>
>
>
>
> > DD starts by readiness of sacrifices, by applying
> > group's decisions in one's life, even if one
> disagrees
> > with them and had voted against.
> Great point. Now we could decide, as DD oriented
> group, if kibbutzim
> generate only "complete, sincere human beings"
> "whose all essential
> faculties have been optimally developed" and are
> committed to "global
> improvement" or they are as happy as they believe
> they are yet incapable
> of realizing what bombing houses, hospitals,
> ambulances, refineries, and
> roads and killing civilians means just like any
> other ordinary military
> who receives orders and accept them.
>
> We could vote to understand how many agree with
> Georges's opinions and
> how many disagree. If Georges loses he must adopt
> the group's decisions
> even if he "disagrees with them and had voted
> against" in order to apply
> his own definitions of DD which "starts by readiness
> of sacrifices".
> Shall we test our DD capabilities?
>
> Regards
>
> Giorgio