Re: [WDDM] Regarding the social network site

[Georges Metanomski <zgmet(at)yahoo.com>]

--- ROY DAINE <rdaine(at)btinternet.com> wrote:

> Thanks Georges,
>
>   That seems to answer the most often stated
> argument aginst DD.
>
>   We can assume I think, if this holds true for
> decades of kibbutzism, it would hold true for
> peoples anywhere.
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G:
True, but most unlikely to happen in our jungle-world
of dog-eats-dog.
Have a look at the quote from my "Shadow Parliament"

http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/POLITICS/shadow_eng.html

and the comments below.

QUOTE
SINCERITY.
It is the critical condition: members must be
capable to conceive and accept local, i.e.
personal sacrifices involved by the global
improvement. This short phrase implies a
fundamental change of mentality, replacement of
present egoism with something similar to the
attitude of Israeli Kibbutzim.
BTW I should think that each sincere protagonist
of DD should start by a stage in a Kibbutz, as
it's the only truly DD social group in the
history. (The celebrated Athenian Democracy was
in reality an Oligarchy eliminating from power
the majority: metecs and slaves.)
If Logistics requires at least a generation,
Sincerity will come still later, if ever,
UNQUOTE

DD is not a clever prattle, proving that one is smart
and good, while others are stupid and bad; and
having done that switching back to watch the TV.

DD starts by readiness of sacrifices, by applying
group's decisions in one's life, even if one disagrees
with them and had voted against.

Mentality of Socrates, who obeying governance's
decision committed suicide, in spite of considering
the decision wrong. Without going to such extremes,
an example.

In my ocean shore village I was asked to help some
youngsters in their sisyphean struggle with official
schools. It developed to a discussion group, sort of
a DD forum embrion. We discussed the problem of eating
meat and arrived at the conclusion that it is the
worst source of pollution and global starvation.  Now,
these youngsters were sincere and once the majority
decided, all stopped eating meat.

That's easy. Anybody may give up watching porno
or violent shows, eating meat or screwing prostitutes.

But you cannot expect a farmer driven by market
politics to survive by installing a chicken battery,
to give it up and starve with his family, because
some WDDM or other voted that it's very wicked.

He knows that his gesture would have no practical
effect, that his abandoned battery would be at once
replaced by somebody else and that the society would
drop him like a hot ember and let him starve.

That sort of decision may only take place in some
kibbutz-like community where it may mean a reduction
of global benefit and thus a common sacrifice, but
never a sacrifice of an individual on the communal
altar.

Georges.
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