| From: | David Parker <davefparker(at)shaw.ca> |
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| Date: | Thu, 27 Mar 2008 08:25:19 -0700 |
| Subject: | RE: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD |
Nothing can or will change until you can change public opinion. You cannot change nor even affect public opinion because they are being fed their opinion via TV programming. We can talk reforms all day but it's just talk. It's like belonging to a club of gatekeepers. Just stay in here and keep talking, don't go out and do anything....yet.....Hugo Chavez got change partly by sending people into the community to educate neighborhoods on a one on one basis.
What are we doing? I email, write and phone every political party and each and every member. Every government agency FBI, RCMP, Military command, local police, churches, universities, unions, Amnesty international and all the other charities. Famous people, entertainers, you name it. Nothing in seven years, since 9/11 false flag crap. Dave VonKliest once said, "If you're not on some government list somewhere you aren't doing enough for your country". I'm on every list you can imagine I would suppose by now. The odd reporter replies saying no way, too big for me, good luck. A couple notable people said there's nothing they can do.
It would seem in general that people value their own safety and well being over that of their children, their friends, their planet and the future of humanity. Nobody wants to end up like Paul Wellstone, JFK MLK MX or even Elliot Spitzer for speaking out against Bush.
At present all I can do is post shocking and informative videos in an effort to stir interest in the problem(s) I have a small following of a few hundred people globally through sites like youtube facebook and the like but there is really nothing we can do other than reach out to friends and family locally. A few hundred people aware that all of our governments are corrupted by treasonous traitors selling our lives to international banksters. 6 billion people just going along with it, continuing to send/adopt their children out to state schools to be programmed and raised as soldiers and "human resources"
How do we change the human mind? That is the real problem, democracy is just a dream that we talk about in here. It's like wishing for something. Wishes really don't come true. Until we can take our dreams and turn them from wishes into actions nothing will change for the better.
That of course is just my opinion, I may be wrong. I just felt I had to say something. Speaking out helps open new thoughts in the brain, new connections, ideas, questions. If anyone has any advice on how to reach more people than just handing out brochures downtown I'm listening.
-----Original Message-----
From: <Annette and Martin> ajackson123(at)bigpond.com]
Sent: March 26, 2008 7:55 PM
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD
PVR, I find what you say very clear, and makes a lot of sense, one thing
that is clear is it seems impossible to find an argued position for WDDM,
but another thing that is certain,is the public will only except limit
change, and the Swiss System would present that, plus it is a system in
operation.
Martin
----- Original Message -----
From: Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan
To: WDDM
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:16 AM
Subject: RE: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD
Dear All,
Mirek wrote -
"....the logical conclusion seems to be that if we want to achieve a just society (democracy), we have no chance to do so within the current money system designed to benefit only a small segment of the society" "Shouldn't we (the DD promoters, WDDM, ...) then pay also some (more, a lot of) attention to the reform of the money system???"
We should indeed.
: This can be considered in another manner. If we are able to achieve a just and peaceful society through DD then the current money system will, as a consequence, be replaced through the altered social dynamics with a more people friendly system. The link below gives an article on this matter and a discussion on that:
http://www.myverdict.net/articles/intarticle.php?D=21
But the first requirement for achieving a just and peaceful society (through
DD) would be that most, if not all, people should believe in and aspire for
it. Only then would DD itself become a reality in the first place. For this
being focused on peace is a basic necessity. It is needless to say that the
proponents of DD should themselves be focused on peace. Otherwise we will be
criticizing each other just for the sake of it and be engaged in endless
discussions.
QUOTE of Shadow Parliament
Three issues seem essential for starting to move
towards the DD:
1.Getting a Shadow Parliament within the Particracy.
2.Establish a logistic 3 Functions support:
1.Initiative (supporting individual proposals)
2.Debate (consensus building)
3.Decision (upon a consensus threshold; no snapshot vote)
3.Propound Sincerity, which appears to be the
critical condition of DD.
UNQUOTE
Georges' idea is fine but he fails to appreciate that his logistic 3
functions support has also been suggested by others in different forms.
Nicole's Enitiative and Roy Daine's My Verdict together provide the logistic
3 functions support proposed by Georges.
To propound sincerity is critical not only for the success of DD but to
usher DD in the first place. Only when we try to appreciate each other's
point of view can we hope to usher in a system that would be sensitive to
the freedom and dignity of each individual.
The word 'Definition' means (as per Oxford Dictionary) - "a statement of
the exact meaning of a word or the nature or scope of something". We try to
define DD to clarify its scope.
Since DD has a crucial economic implication as mentioned above, I would
modify the suggested integrated definition as - "DD is a
socio-politico-economic structure wherein sovereignty is vested directly in
the people without the intermediary domination of any political party and
who in exercise of their inalienable right to self-determination determine
their own governance through the methods of Initiative, Binding Referendum &
Recall."
We have several worthwhile suggestions for ushering in DD but for success we
need to allow integration of ideas put forth from various points of view.
There is no room for oneupmanship here. We have a democratic way of deciding
things and we should utilize it.
PVR