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From: "Annette and Martin" <ajackson123(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:49:55 +1030
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD

Giorgio,
Swiss Banking Act of 1934, which led to the famous Swiss bank, the principle
of bank secrecy. (Set up just before the war)
I don't believe there is a major event in history that was driven by the
average person, there was always been powerful people that were pushing it.
The depressions and the Wars, were undertaken with a motive in mind, and l
believe we a heading into another of these events.

FROM
TIMELINES OF THE GREAT DEPRESSION:
a.. Alarmed by Roosevelt's plan to redistribute wealth from the rich to the
poor, a group of millionaire businessmen, led by the Du Pont and J.P. Morgan
empires, plans to overthrow Roosevelt with a military coup and install a
fascist government modelled after Mussolini's regime in Italy. The
businessmen try to recruit General Smedley Butler, promising him an army of
500,000, unlimited financial backing and generous media spin control. The
plot is foiled when Butler reports it to Congress.

Offers some hope that we will stand up to them

I enjoyed what you wrote

Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: "Giorgio Menon" <giorgio.menon(at)pd.infn.it>
To: <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD


Annette and Martin wrote:

The world has a Shadow Government and it's called the Committee of 300.
The Committee of 300 Ultimate Goal:

Is to have the Undisputed Control of the wealth, natural resources and
people power of the entire world


Right. But do you have an idea about how they've managed (and still are
managing) to do it?



Empowering people and breaking down the secret networks is the key


What do you think superior casts are for?



And there are signs of people starting to rise up against this.

We are programmed from childhood


Right. Abused children become controllable adults. Rags scare them. But
there's more than this, unfortunately.



Watch this to see how they have influenced education
Illuminati: The Hidden Agenda for World Government in interview with
Norman Dodd
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-7373201783240489827&q=Illuminati%3A+The+Hidden+Agenda+for+World+Government+with+Norman+Dodd&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Somethings l question how democratic SOME people are, in WDDM, you either
support what it stands for or you don't

We have to have a sellable starting point, and the Swish System is a good
point to start, l question did the Elite play a role in establishing the
Swish System, because they knew it would deliver a good system of
government, a safe place for their banking.

Martin Jackson


As someone has already pointed out it's spelled Swiss, not Swish (or
Swatch).
Swiss "neutrality"?
In Switzerland, the people who lived through the war wanted to believe
that it was their army and fortifications that kept the Nazis out.
Historical research and documents clearly show that if the Nazis wanted to
invade Switzerland, it would have been quick and relatively easy. The
reason Germany spared its tiny neighbor to the south was because
Switzerland proved much more useful as an independent state than as a
satellite. The Swiss made many useful weapon components (aluminium for the
Luftwaffe, spark plugs for jeeps taken from the Russians, timing devices
for bombs, among other things), and thus their factories were not bombed
every night. The Swiss National bank bought gold from the Reichsbank, the
Reichsbank was given Swiss francs in exchange, and used them to buy
cobalt, nickel and tungsten from the other “neutral” countries. The Turks,
Portuguese, Spanish and Swedish, who were all under heavy pressure from
the Allies not to accept direct gold payment from the Reichsbank, then
exchanged the Swiss francs for gold. The problem was that the German gold
came from the Belgian National bank reserves (not from concentration camps
as some sensationalists would have it) and the neutrals knew it.
http://switzerland.isyours.com/e/swiss-business-guide/wwii.html

The Bergier Commission, a panel of historians,concluded that Switzerland
"declined to help people in mortal danger." Many of those turned away at
the border were handed over directly to the Nazis, making Switzerland an
accomplice in the Holocaust, the panel said.

A report also issued in December by another panel, known as the Volcker
Commission, identified nearly 54,000 dormant accounts in Swiss banks that
may have belonged to victims of the Nazis.

A survey, conducted for the American Jewish Committee and recently
released, found that 45 percent of the 1,210 Swiss interviewed in January
agreed with the statement: "Switzerland has nothing to apologize about for
its behavior toward Jews during World War II." Thirty-nine percent
disagreed, and 16 percent didn't know.
http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/13539/edition_id/262/format/html/displaystory.html

One of the world's biggest banks, UBS of Switzerland, has admitted for the
first time that it exploited Nazi slave labourers during World War II.

The bank has confirmed it owned a cement factory where SS officers forced
at least 400 prisoners from the nearby Auschwitz concentration camp to
work.
The admission that it exploited slave labourers from Auschwitz opens a new
chapter in the Swiss bank's controversial wartime past.

Then we have the Swiss-Southamerica-Nazi connection.


On June 6, 1947, Argentina's first lady Eva Peron left for a
glittering tour of Europe.
According to records now emerging from Swiss archives and
the investigations of Nazi hunters, an unpublicized side of
Evita's world tour was coordinating the network for helping Nazis
relocate in Argentina.
This new evidence of Evita's cozy ties with prominent Nazis
corroborates the long-held suspicion that she and her husband,
Gen. Juan Peron, laid the groundwork for a bloody resurgence of
fascism across Latin America in the 1970s and '80s.
Besides blemishing the Evita legend, the evidence threatens
to inflict more damage on Switzerland's image for plucky
neutrality. The international banking center is still staggering
from disclosures about its wartime collaboration with Adolf
Hitler and Swiss profiteering off his Jewish victims.
The archival records indicate that Switzerland's assistance

to Hitler's henchmen didn't stop with the collapse of the Third

Reich.
And the old Swiss-Argentine-Nazi connection reaches to the
present in another way. Spanish "superjudge" Baltasar Garzon is
seeking to open other Swiss records on bank accounts controlled
by Argentine military officers who led the so-called "Dirty War"
that killed and "disappeared" tens of thousands of Argentines
between 1976-83.
During World War II, Gen. Peron -- a populist military
leader -- made no secret of his sympathies for Mussolini's Italy
and Hitler's Germany.
Even as the Third Reich crumbled in the spring of 1945,
Peron remained a pro-fascist stalwart, making available more than
1,000 blank passports for Nazi collaborators fleeing Europe.

While in Spain, Evita reportedly met secretly with Nazis who
were part of the entourage of Otto Skorzeny, the dashing Austrian
commando leader known as Scarface because of a dueling scar
across his left cheek.
Though under Allied detention in 1947, Skorzeny already was
the purported leader of the clandestine organization, Die Spinne
or The Spider, which used millions of dollars looted from the
Reichsbank to smuggle Nazis from Europe to Argentina.
After escaping in 1948, Skorzeny set up the legendary ODESSA
organization which tapped into other hidden Nazi funds to help
ex-SS men rebuild their lives -- and the fascist movement --- in
South America.

http://www.ainfos.ca/99/jan/ainfos00097.html

the Swiss were much more intimate with the Nazis than they had admitted
before. They not only engaged in money laundering for the Nazis, they also
supplied wartime materiel; yet when the war was over, the Swiss were
treated like innocent victims. It turns out that the reason the Nazis did
not invade Switzerland was not because the Swiss would fight to the last
man, as the conventional wisdom went, but was instead because Hitler
needed the Gnomes of Zurich for their talents as moneychangers.
Ironically, they even provided the Fuhrer with U.S. dollars, in order to
facilitate the fascist leader's military demands.

The Harper Collins book /*"Nazi Gold"*/ by Tom Bower, subtitled, "The Full
Story of the Fifty-Year Swiss-Nazi Conspiracy to Steal Billions from
Europe's Jews and Holocaust Survivors" is a powerful indictment. When the
War began, Germany had $100 million in gold, at the end of the War,
Germany had sold about $900 million in gold.

/Called "a state within a state," Swiss banks have long functioned as
Switzerland's shadow government. And while the overriding motives of the
Swiss bankers to collaborate with the Nazis were mercenary -- simple
greed -- it was anti-Semitism, pervasive among the Swiss elite, that was
the amoral glue that held it together.
/

/Even after warnings from the Allies to cease their dealings with the
Axis, the Swiss persisted. After the war, the Swiss were equally scornful,
determined to hold onto their ill-gotten gains by any means. They swindled
the Allies, repaying only $58 million worth of gold when in fact they had
bought roughly $400 million (worth $4 billion today) of gold from the
Nazis, then refused any assistance to survivors of the Holocaust.

http://www.worldfreeinternet.net/news/nws39.htm

/Enough for today, methinks.
Let's see what "neutral" Swiss has meant then:
1-Robbing $4bn to Jews
2-Refusal to let Jews in, sentencing them to sure death.
3-Offering safe transactions to nazis, who could buy anything they needed
via Swiss Francs
3-Offering safe rescue to nazis, and safe trip to southamerica
4-Thank to point 3 desaparecidos have been the rule in Southamerica until
recent days
5-A Swiss bank has actively exploited people in Auschwitz
6-Swiss people doesn't acknowledge this all, but minimally.

I agree that Swiss democracy has several good points. Yet i'm afraid it's
not a replicable system, given the particular history of that land of
banks. Maybe we could try to understand if the Cayman islands (king of
offshore banking) offer similar features.
Why don't we try to investigate this, to see if there's a link between
wealth and improved democracy? It may reveal interesting aspects....

Regards

Giorgio






----- Original Message ----- From: "Giorgio Menon"
<giorgio.menon(at)pd.infn.it>
To: <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD


*Charles Bukowski quotes*
<http://thinkexist.com/quotes/charles_bukowski/>


“The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a
democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you
don't have to waste your time voting.”


Regards
Giorgio




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