RE: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD

["Jim Powell" <autoinfo(at)acenet.co.za>]

Hi Antonio,

Compare the best dictatorship to Switzerland.

Regards

Jim Powell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Lalanne
Sent: 13 Mar 2008 02:24 PM
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD

The cheepest most efficient form of government is a
dictatorship as long as the dictator is
benevolent....some of the best governments in the
world are dictatorships...


--- Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it> wrote:

> Jim Powell ha scritto:
> > Hi Antonio,
> >
> > I do not agree that this will lead to
> dictatorship.
> > We may disagree with the methods that are put
> forward but this
> > concentrates on the differences.
> >
> > Mainstream communication is required.
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> These words of yours sound strange to a fellow -
> like me -
> who lived in a country ( Italy) under fascistic
> dictatorship.
> Maybe in your country you've got no such background.
> > The best way is to introduce "the way things work"
> into the school
> > curriculum.
> > This would examine the way in which decisions are
> made.
> > The fertile mind of the child would then ask why?
>
> I do not agree totally with this .
> The best way is to introduce "the way things work"
> into the family
> curriculum, at the zero-to-three age, when parents
> are still the only
> teachers and the child is learning communicated
> things not only, but
> also how communication works within interpersonal
> (within social,
> later) relationships. There the problem is, how to
> save children from
> their "fertile minds" getting sterilized by family
> dictatorship, imho.
>
> About this topic, if you were interested in, I have
> some stuff at:
http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/rossin08.htm
> (and at .../rossin09.htm, if you were interested in
> how differences
> work inside mainstream communication, to wit,
> Dialectics.)
>
> > Simple logic would then have them realize that the
> system is not
> > representative of the will of the people.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jim Powell
> See my "idea" about this point in a previous post of
> mine.
>
> There I question: how does the real will of the
> people work?
> " - for good or bad purposes - ? "
>
> Which becomes, now: "with a fertile or with a
> sterilized mind?"
>
>
> Regards
>
> ant
> > *From:* Antonio Rossin
> > *Sent:* 13 Mar 2008 07:34 AM
> > *To:* wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
> > *Cc:* epistemology(at)yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture
> about DD
> > Georges,
> >
> > The problem of (the lack of) Democracy is not that
> of
> > communicating valuable stuff -- such as yours
> below --
> > to people.
> >
> > Instead, it is about how to communicate any stuff
> --
> > encompassing yours -- to people, so to enable them
> > to deal with.
> >
> > In other words, that's not a problem of
> communicating.
> > That's a problem of meta-communicating.
> >
> > If you were unable to understand the difference,
> as you
> > seem as, you are a damage to Democracy, because
> you
> > are leading towards (scientific) dictatorship.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > antonio
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Georges Metanomski ha scritto:
> >
> > --- Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan
> > <vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com>
> <vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com> wrote:
> > I&amp;BR is focussed on
> >
> >
> >     the process that would enable True Democracy
> but it
> >     does not tell us how to get there.
> >
> >
> >
> > =============
> > G:
> > For once a reasonable statement. It's not for us
> to
> > discusse, let alone to dictate which forms should
> take
> > the DD governance. Once established, it will be
> for
> > the
> > Forum to determine them. All we can do is to see
> how
> > to
> > get there. Years ago I proposed a way that I
> called
> > "Shadow Parliament". I cannot be judge and party,
> so
> > it should be discussed by other people.
> >
> > It's available in
http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/POLITICS/shadow_eng.html
> > I quote here it's conclusion:
> >
> > QUOTE
> > Three issues seem essential for starting to move
> > towards the DD:
> >
> > 1.Getting a Shadow Parliament within the
> Particracy.
> > 2.Establish a logistic 3 Functions support.
> >
> > 3.Propound Sincerity, which appears to be the
> > critical condition of DD. A very limited
> experience
> > seems to point to "self applicable attitude".
> > An example:
> > A small forum discussed pollution and found out
> > rightly
> > or wrongly that the worst pollution source is the
> > factory breeding of animals. Besides pollution it
> > involves unacceptable suffering of animals and
> mental
> > corruption of attendants who become potential
> sadistic
> > Auschwitz guards. The group condemned eating meat.
> Not
> > as a theoretical principle, but as a self applying
>
> > decision and all members stopped eating meat.
> > Another very limited and positive experience
> consisted
> > in stages in Kibbutzim, confronting fellows with
> the
> > sincerity of the unique ever realized genuine DD.
> > UNQUOTE
> > =============