From: | "Bruce Eggum" <bruceeggum(at)gmail.com> |
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Date: | Mon, 6 Aug 2007 00:40:15 -0500 |
Subject: | Re: [WDDM] organization |
--- Bruce Eggum <bruceeggum(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Georges and all,
Frightful good lot here to consider.
Perhaps we can find one subject to continue on another thread as this one large.
I agree with you on Wind now. Wind may be ok or perhaps a good thing in small local home applications like the old water windmill, but these gross turbines are another matter.
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BE:
> Of course Global Warming is a
false alarm, like all
> political propaganda.
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G;
I
would not go that far. The claim of reversibility
by human action
is political lie and manipulation.
As to GW, I said and maintain
it: "Global Warming (GW)
is doubtless one of the most
important, critical
problems the mankind is facing."
My opinion is that GW being irreversible, one should
concentrate
on countering its sequels and not, in the
wake of Xerxes, on
flagellating the sea with chains,
while making billions on chain
manufacturing.
BE:
> The academic community also makes
millions extolling
> this and that, arguing
> amongst
themselves, sending conflicting reports so
> when knowledge
produces
> the right answer they can choose one of their
>
suppositions and say see we
> had it right all along. Some even
think the
> academics know about governing,
> ignoring
the fact they do not have any idea about
> practical
application of
> hardly anything.
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G:
I
frequently said that the Academic Establishment,
like any current
Establishment is a noxious circus.
Most scientists don't see the
Science-wood for
Equation-trees, thus not getting the gist of
their
own domains, let alone other domains where they often
prove
exceptionally fatuous, because conceited.
In order to illustrate
this point I shall copy to this
list an essay on Copenhagen
Interpretation of the
Quantum Theory, which, although not quite
pertinent
here, shows the established Physics submerged
in
medieval Solipsisms and
Panpsychisms.
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BE:
> Like you said the real danger is
pollution. So stop
> the polluting for the
> wrong
reasons. GOOD
> At least the dam pollution will be slowed by
>
decreasing use of fossil fuel.
> Wind in it's place and Solar
provide electricity
> good idea. I recall Georges
> you
are against wind. your reasoning was not
> complete however.
But certainly
> forbid the nuke idea.
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G:
Once
you start fiddling with wrong reasons for right
goal, your goal
gets wrecked together with the
reasons.
Main pollution sources
are not fossil fuels but
industrial animal breeding and garbage.
And forbidding
is of no avail. People will not stop using
electricity
and it will stay nuclear and fossil as long as
there
is no alternative.
I'm not for, nor against anything, but
try to examine
it rigorously. Refuting arguments with a
general
non justified "not complete" is not even unfair,
but
silly. In order to give you a chance to indicate
what's
wrong with my reasoning, I repeat in appendix
the post I wrote to
Epistemology list as answer to
Sam's "Eloge of the
Windmills". Some parts of it
are not quite pertinent here,
but I prefer to quote
it unchanged.
Georges.
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NEW
BE: I agree. It would be far better if
people woke up to the pollution --- but until they can be convinced,
slowing pollution ain't bad for whatever the reason. Yes the
projections are definitly in ---- so move to high ground or other ground if you are
in an affected area. Learn how to sanitize water, food, store
essentials. Learn how to use hand tools and find them.
Action now will prepare for the coming mess.
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Appendix,
Eloge of the Fraud.
Sam posted a well meant panegyric of Wind
Power
in which he says among others: