Re: [WDDM] Repeted answer to Antonio

[Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it>]

Giorgio Menon ha scritto:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:28:57 +0200, Antonio Rossin wrote
>
>
> > In most western countries, the so-called "democratic
> > countries", the inhabitants do not want to implement
> > Democracy  - that encompasses people's direct control
> > over both policies and politicians".  Really  as well as
> > paradoxically, people like themselves to be controlled
> > by political propaganda and PR managed by the money
> > holder elites.
> >
> > You say: "people are deceived by the elites."  I argue:
> > "people want to deceive themselves by themselves,
> > just because they own the power of control -- if only
> > they wanted to wield it directly and responsibly.
> > But their democratic wish does not go to wield it,
> > because wielding it is too much labour they dislike".
>
> This is the core of the issue. I don't think i'm wrong
> but i'm sure you are not wrong either. There's a study
> that i read a while ago saying that for populations over
> few thousand units "democracy" becomes a must, meaning
> they can't menage to rule their own lives but need an
> "external power".

You should specify more what do you mean for "external power".
I am a bit reluctant to admit the need of such an entity as such.
Yet I agree in the sense that each one of us needs of an external
authority as a reference point: but an authority to be questioned
as much as possible, something else but a "power" that rules as
in itself, beyond any chance of responsible choice.  Even though
I shall admit that that xas the rule in more barbarian times, and
also the goal of aspirant dictators of every time.

Anyway, what democracy could it be, if there is an external power
ruling over all the others?






> Tribal realities vs modern towns. Guess where current
> tendency goes? In China the pace of urbanization is
> impressive (half of the world building facilities are
> placed in China...).  Do Chinese people have a chance?
> In a sense yes, but they should take a firm stand
> against the so-called Development, Progress, Modernity
> etc...Who dares so much?

How many facilities they build are truly necessary?  Chinese people's
impressive economic development bases on western consumerism.
Let's limit our consumerism to the real necessities and that tendency
should come to a sustainable balance



> > > That's why i say that Democracy is perfectly compatible
> > > with fundamentalism, being ruled by numbers as it is.
> > > Ruled by numbers, not by people, please notice.
> > This is your thesis.  I wholeheartedly disagree.
> >
> > My antithesis is, "Fundamentalism is perfectly compatible
> > with the people's democratic renounce of democracy.
>
> Please consider that in a world ruled by money, fundamentalisms
> have control over the existing processes. I'm not saying that
> people accepting it are irresponsible, rather that the fight is definately unbalanced amd biased.
>
> Ciao
>
> Giorgio
What fight are you speaking of?   Please suggest what fight you think
it more appropriate, be it a viable one...

On this very topic, I have a point:

*Power is generated by those who demand (= ourselves)
and is managed by those who respond (= those "in power")*

which implies, if  we were able to control our own demands,
we become actually able to control "the power" as well.

What do you think?


Regards,

antonio