| From: | "S'ace orange" <cjdegroot(at)orange.nl> |
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| Date: | Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:02:55 +0100 |
| Subject: | Re: [WDDM] False prophets |
I'm sorry guys but I cannot discuss the details of my system openly like
this. I am at the point of patent, since there are so many who have
validated it as a system. When I am in a project building it I will ask
you to help me if you are willing.
What I can say is that it is a system with technological aspects but is
very much installed into a physical enviroment that people are engaging
over many issues of work, life, play etc. This environment can be used for
many things and making democratic choices is just one of them.
This is a key design flaw of most systems - people will vote, but they
want other things too. No one is interested in a boring choice-making
machine. It must be more threaded, more diverse, it must touch the needs
of the people themselves and help them forward in real terms.
I have noticed that S'Ace also has a "development". A Global Genius
platform (not a very humble name?). Can I say firstly that I'm working on
an actual system not some new-age hippy crap that has no real function
spiritually or practically. I mean, what does www.globalgeniusvoter.com
actually do? Who does it help? Do you really think the majority of people
in the worlds we live in are going to understand this? Even if it is a
good idea, where is the democracy? where is the decisionmaking? where is
the relevance to anything other than self-help? Why not compare this with
www.nevadavotedirect.org as an actual DIRECT DEMOCRACY - seeing as that is
the topic here.
I have read dozens of books around this kinds of things. Most of them I
find primitive but many are very deep and very helpful. So how does your
system do anything new that they are not already doing? These methods have
been around for generations already and are based on ancient wisdom from
1000's of years ago. Also before you use the word genius, look around you
and see how many people are way further than you and way more humble.
I'm a highly spiritual person, but if it doesn't run on a real system, it
doesn't mean anything in my opinion. It seems to me that it is designed to
confuse people and make him look super spiritual to those that don't know.
My generation is waking up and there are of us - leaders in this process.
We grew up with computers and are also spiritual. We can spot bullshit a
mile away and are frighteningly aware of how things actually work. Please
see www.social-computer.com for a range of my work and contributions from
others.
Spiritual matters are deep as many of us know. I am always saying things
that the scriptures supposedly also said, but it is innate in me. I
understand because I draw deep connections with the universe. The problem
with these kinds of people/projects is that they come across deep wisdom
and don't have the ability to interpret it. So they get inspired and make
the best idea they have - forgetting that they don't know the first thing
about what they are trying to design. Also they forget that the majority
of people in the world are not like them and so will not understand what
they are saying. Social Computer goes much deeper and challenges us all in
different ways.
What I can say is that I was talking with the EC about the Social Computer
people platform technologies about 4 years ago and recently they have
released some detailed concepts which are also at the core of my work. I
am not claiming this as my own, but only to illustrate that they are
working along similar lines - also it might be educational for some to see
what the real world are doing - http://www.digital-ecosystems.org/ - and
how close they are to realising the deeper truths in a concrete way.
I do not support concrete science in many forms because it can be too
static and systematic. But I know that a real Solution must work in the
spiritual plane, the creative/artistic plane, it must be rich with hope
and it must satisfy computer scientists, economists and political
scientists. Mostly an idea like this must be interesting for the people.
The uneducated - the outsiders and borderliners who never had any chances
in life. I am telling you that my work encompasses this and a lot more. I
have never seen another project with all of these challenges met - and
these are just the basic challenges - after that there is a whole layer of
core logic and interaction design - then the genetic processes which keep
the whole thing self-regulatory.
Democracy is an attempt to return to the natural way of doing things in my
opinion. We are striving to return to what we feel is a more natural way
of doing things. Survival of the fittest is a form of democracy in a
sense, but it is harsh and puts one above another. Equality is a fantasy.
No one is equal. We are defined my our actions.
I am deeply engaged in society, technology and spiritual matters - I can
see a bullshitter miles off because I am very far myself with these
things. I am afraid that the role of designing actual systems should be
left to those who aren't caught up in pretty colours and random metaphoric
relationships which have no real meaning and are not logical or
reasonable.
I am not a fan of these - new-age politicians. Or in fact of new-age
anything - I am (like many others) way beyond that. I understand what the
ancients were saying - the beauty of harmonic relationships and metaphoric
resonance between different objects in the universe.
If anyone is serious to want to get involved and build it, or implement
it, look at my site and read up on the work there - the core system isn't
built yet and I have no intention of building it without the best minds I
can find. I have, thankfully already found some on this forum - thanks
guys!! (and thanks for reading this all the way down, i know it was a bit
rambly)