Re: [WDDM] S"Re:Thoughts about our definitions of democracy (and a general ramble)

[Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it>]

At 23:35 +0100 11-11-2006, S'ace orange wrote:
> let me snapshot 2 phrases out of antonios dialogue contribution ...
> on pras
>
> X:
> =Unfortunately, the world I live in looks like a boat, where
> no one can rightfully turn the helm to where one wants.=
>
> Y:
> =To me, Direct Democracy is *basically* a social arrangement
> where policies have a bottom-up origin, that is, where policies
> are originated directly by the people.  If  the people lack of this
> very basis as the necessary starting point, any one's speaking
> of (direct) democracy looks like a joke.=
>
> X:
> about the pivotal situation we are really in on the earthship is :
> (metaphorical?)
> we in holland we have this odd situation:
> a priministre expressing himself contradictional to his strifes ...
> but a lot of individuals, say familyheads, are following him
> because of his Harry Potter face ...
> say magical psychotherapist mediaboundness popeularity ...
> nobody really knows what is going on on the ship ...
> or what the forecast is of the wheather ...
>
> well,
> i learned it of great navigatorship to have some notion of the
> wheatherforcast and ... having notice of some instrumants that are
> available to help the professional, interesten ... captain on the ship ...
> but ...
> we have a critical situation here ...
> because ... the new kings wife is breeding her lllth child and the
> king has to rise ;-)
>
> :{doesnt a ship prefer a captain iso a king? or can the king be a
> captain too? schooled on Water&Sport&Maxima...}:
>
> but in what cabinet: left right middle / left right / what colour ?
>
> so ...
> there is the after 2nd world war idea to go for the uulitimate all
> party government / say "integral governance" /say ... having to
> talk for each citizen involved = real communication affairs ....
>
> and because this idea is pretty new (except for the prince bernhard
> suggestion mid 70's) i think this new idea may shift voters pretty
> fast to all kind of small parties that do not seem so far away from
> people spirit than ever before in the "big party convention hypnotising" ...
>
> hmmm....
>
> Y:
> the anyone speaking of (direct) democracy looks like a joke ...
> notion of mr. rossin, a pre-IIWWarchild?, can be taken up very
> seriously left & right Now ... (this Winter season?) if there is a
> common viewpoint on what governmental quality standards on
> technocratical professional progress shows off ...
> one can easily say ...
> "democracy vehicle is museum stuff"
>
> and new generations ... speed up chaoticly ... emerging new
> standards (to be installed)
>
> ;-)
> for the pivotal moment here ...
> s'ace

Dear S'ace,
you seem like missing the basic condition by which "the anyone
speaking of (direct) democracy looks like a joke ..." . This basic
condition is policies having or having not a bottom-up origin.

But...  if the "emerging new standards (to be installed)" were really
emerging bottom-up, instead of being top-down indoctrinated as it
happens as by most post-IIWW children, then all of this mess of
words on what democracy is, or it shall be, could finally end into
a museum and we could begin to 'speak' of democracy by facts...

Ciao,
ant