dear antonio,
franz, annette, bruce, miroslav, pras ... and
all/other related femmow
human in one mission ...
what do we do
first have a position and then have a stand ...
or have a
stand and then win a position ...
or create a
thing as a party?
what is a
party?
i wondered
this question deeply ...
and share
with you the idea that a party never could be a
thing as an organism, an
institute, a political entity ...
blunt
...
blunt
told?
well, do you
perhaps allow me to whisper some arguments?
on the
collective perception and on the individual perception
starting from our
seperated positions the arguments are
described here. here i admit the
both perceptional views may
be useful when united people stage is
reclaimed, ... at last,
as an
exercise of thinking both medalsides simultaneously.
arguments
from the collective perception:
* a party is
a process happening, as a birthdayparty, a
rememberance, and still even a
carnavalesk election campaign
"taking oneself at the nose in a
carnavalesk party"
* the word
"party" which until now (proposed) co-laborated
people can be whiped out
from the planet, from peoples
vocabulaire (in stead: think and decide on
other single
meaning comprehensions)
*
(more
things can be said, when we can get free of the emotions
that every now
and then may come up te resolve)arguments to
the individual perception:
* "one man
one vote" was a motto mystifying individuals in
the act of voting:
deciding to select one other person out of a
list to do the job for "you"
for a considerable number of days
(say about 1400)
* exercising
decision making is for each individual a
"partytime"
in maintaining ones collaborative radar free
of emotional
memories related to poor, not so smart from
the humanitary viewpoint
token, historic times
* (also here
more things can be said)
on the DD
side ...
i am
convinced that a DD practise as collaborative fellow
citizen job adds to
the mutual understanding of what may
be the right decisions to take ...
at the same time i think
we have to have a discourse where people have a
stage to
vote for there representatives. if such a discours is
still
needed apart from the solution in legalizing DD strategies
to
the governance decorum (also still needed, aint it??? ...
eg. filling our
media, creative frictions etc.) then it comes
in the
dialogue arena to discuss which alternative forms
of
mass-decision making can lead our mutual
& serious
exercises to the unified systemical paradigm (s
word?).
may the well
be and be with Y our S,
s'ace
have your
stand ... moving ( "neureebah" )
-----
Original Message -----
From:
Antonio RossinTo:
<
democracy-europe(at)yahoogroups.com>
Cc:
<
democracy-europe(at)yahoogroups.com>; <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>;
Academy of Direct Democracy;
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Franz Isemann, MDSent:
Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:40 PM
Subject:
[WDDM] Re: [d-europe] Re: [WDDM] Parties and Politics
> Dear
Franz,
>
> glad with reading of you.
>
> I agree
with you, but "a party for DD" is no "DD political party".
> Let's
suppose, any political party can be "for", i.e. in favour of, DD:
>
provided only it supports "Initiative & Referendum" directly
from
> the people bottom-up.
>
> ciao,
>
>
antonio
>
>
>
>
> At 17:49 +0200 26-10-2006,
Franz Isemann, MD wrote:
>>Dear friends,
>>A party for DD
is different from any other party, as long DD is
really
>>practice within that party. Einsteins message cannot
apply in this
>>context.
>>But a party for DD is a
difficult task and needs permanent selfrenewal.
>>In other words it
needs a strong nucleus of very competent and devoted
>>DD-freaks
and also a very good internal constitution.
>>Franz
Isemann
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message
-----
>>From:
Antonio Rossin>>Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:23
AM
>>
>>At 0:51 +0300 26-10-2006, [Maria Ivanova]
wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I guess this is a good
idea to create a DD political party.
>>> As for us
(Academy of Direct Democracy, Ukraine) we see no way
to
>>> create it for now but as the idea it sound good for
us.
>>> My best regards, Maria
Ivanova
>>
>>Hi Maria Ivanova,
>>Albert Einstein
is said he stated :
>>"We cannot solve the problems of a system by
using the tools of the
>>same system that originated
them".
>>I guess, all the ideas sound good for critical discussion
-- yet I
>>wholeheartedly appreciate the clear fact that your
Academy sees no
>>way to create a DD political
party.
>>Cheers,
>>antonio
>>
>>
>>
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