dear antonio, franz, annette, bruce, miroslav, pras ... and
all/other related femmow human in one mission
...
what
do we do first have a position and then have a stand
...
or
have a stand and then win a position ...
or
create a thing as a party?
what
is a party?
i
wondered this question deeply ...
and
share with you the idea that a party never could be a
thing as an organism, an institute, a political entity
...
blunt
...
blunt
told?
well,
do you perhaps allow me to whisper some
arguments?
on the
collective perception and on the individual perception
starting from our seperated positions the arguments are
described here. here i admit the both perceptional views may
be useful when united people stage is reclaimed, ... at
last,
as an
exercise of thinking both medalsides
simultaneously.
arguments from the collective
perception:
* a
party is a process happening, as a birthdayparty, a
rememberance, and still even a carnavalesk election campaign
"taking oneself at the nose in a carnavalesk
party"
* the
word "party" which until now (proposed) co-laborated
people can be whiped out from the planet, from peoples
vocabulaire (in stead: think and decide on other single
meaning comprehensions)
*
(more things can be said, when we can get free of the emotions
that every now and then may come up te
resolve)arguments to the individual
perception:
*
"one man one vote" was a motto mystifying individuals in
the act of voting: deciding to select one other person out of a
list to do the job for "you" for a considerable number of
days
(say about 1400)
*
exercising decision making is for each individual
a
"partytime" in maintaining ones
collaborative radar free
of
emotional memories related to poor, not so smart from
the humanitary viewpoint token, historic
times
*
(also here more things can be said)
on the
DD side ...
i am
convinced that a DD practise as collaborative fellow
citizen job adds to the mutual understanding of what may
be the right decisions to take ... at the same time i think
we have to have a discourse where people have a stage to
vote for there representatives. if such a discours is still
needed apart from the solution in legalizing DD strategies
to the governance decorum (also still needed, aint it??? ...
eg. filling our media, creative frictions etc.) then it
comes
in the
dialogue arena to discuss which alternative
forms
of
mass-decision making can lead our mutual & serious
exercises to the unified systemical paradigm (s
word?).
may
the well be and be with Y our S,
s'ace
have
your stand ... moving ( "neureebah"
)
-----
Original Message -----
From:
Antonio RossinTo:
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Cc:
<
democracy-europe(at)yahoogroups.com>; <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>;
Academy of Direct Democracy; <
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Franz Isemann, MDSent:
Thursday, October 26, 2006 10:40 PM
Subject: [WDDM] Re: [d-europe] Re: [WDDM] Parties
and Politics
>
Dear Franz,
>
> glad with reading of you.
>
> I agree with you, but "a party for DD" is no "DD
political party".
> Let's suppose, any political party can be "for", i.e.
in favour of, DD:
> provided only it supports "Initiative & Referendum"
directly from
> the people bottom-up.
>
> ciao,
>
> antonio
>
>
>
>
> At 17:49 +0200 26-10-2006, Franz Isemann, MD wrote:
>>Dear friends,
>>A party for DD is different from any other party, as long DD
is really
>>practice within that party. Einsteins
message cannot apply in this
>>context.
>>But a party for DD is a difficult task and needs permanent
selfrenewal.
>>In other words it needs a strong nucleus of very competent and
devoted
>>DD-freaks and also a very good internal constitution.
>>Franz Isemann
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From:
Antonio Rossin
>>Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:23 AM
>>
>>At 0:51 +0300 26-10-2006, [Maria Ivanova] wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I guess this is a good idea to create a DD
political party.
>>> As for us (Academy of Direct Democracy, Ukraine) we
see no way to
>>> create it for now but as the idea it sound good for
us.
>>> My best regards, Maria Ivanova
>>
>>Hi Maria Ivanova,
>>Albert Einstein is said he stated :
>>"We cannot solve the problems of a system by using the
tools of the
>>same system that originated them".
>>I guess, all the ideas sound good for critical discussion --
yet I
>>wholeheartedly appreciate the clear fact that your Academy
sees no
>>way to create a DD political party.
>>Cheers,
>>antonio
>>
>>
>>
>>
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