Re: [WDDM] Re: [d-europe] Re: [WDDM] Parties and Politics

[Filia den Hollander <holla(at)xs4all.nl>]

Dear everyone,

I agree with Mirek and with Albert Einstein.

‘Be part of the solution, not part of the problem,’ is an _expression_. The only solution I can think of for now, is to initiate projects and see who is willing to participate in them. So in this sense, I also agree with Mr/Ms Pras Anand.

Kind regards,
Filia den Hollander




op 29-10-2006 04:55 schreef M. Kolar op wddm(at)mkolar.org:

> I am personally afraid that any party, however good are its initial intentions
> and its internal structure, if it would try to become successful in the
> current
> political system, if would be under enormous pressure to use the same methods
> as other parties, and it would have very hard time to avoid corruption and
> dilution of DD principles.
> Mirek
>
> Bruce Eggum wrote:
>
>> We need to strongly advocate Direct Democracy.  What ever group we are
>> in we can advocate. Political Parties are not that different than other
>> groups. The name Party, tells us this group is "political".
>>
>> As we advocate for DD, more and more will grast the idea and hopefully
>> subscribe to it. A DD Party would than be one who has DD as a major
>> statement in their ideologies. Of course, continual advocacy is
>> necessary as people and ideas change. The world is in constant argument,
>> so advocacy is essential.
>>
>> Organization of people supporting DD so we all speak the same voice is
>> essential. A DD Party could provide this organizational factor, but it
>> will take strong DD voices to accomplish.
>>
>> ATB Bruce Eggum
>>
>> On 10/27/06, *Franz Isemann, MD* <chiemgau(at)mehr-demokratie.de
>> <mailto:chiemgau(at)mehr-demokratie.de>> wrote:
>>
>>     Dear Antonio,
>>     I fully agree. The awful thing with parlamentary DD-parties is: they
>>     become
>>     very easily corrupted.
>>     That also occured to the German Green Party, which was in the beginning
>>     rather fond of DD, not though Joschka Fischer.
>>     Franz
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     From: "Antonio Rossin" <rossin(at)tin.it <mailto:rossin(at)tin.it>>
>>     To: <democracy-europe(at)yahoogroups.com, ....
>
>>     Subject: Re: [d-europe] Re: [WDDM] Parties and Politics
>>
>>
>>> Dear Franz,
>>>
>>> glad with reading of you.
>>>
>>> I agree with you, but "a party for DD" is no "DD political party".
>>> Let's suppose, any political party can be "for", i.e. in favour
>>     of, DD:
>>> provided only it supports "Initiative & Referendum" directly from
>>> the people bottom-up.
>>>
>>> ciao,
>>>
>>> antonio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At 17:49 +0200 26-10-2006, Franz Isemann, MD wrote:
>>>> Dear friends,
>>>> A party for DD is different from any other party, as long DD is
>>     really
>>>> practice within that party. Einsteins message cannot apply in this
>>>> context.
>>>> But a party for DD is a difficult task and needs permanent
>>     selfrenewal.
>>>> In other words it needs a strong nucleus of very competent and
>>     devoted
>>>> DD-freaks and also a very good internal constitution.
>>>> Franz Isemann
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Antonio Rossin < rossin(at)tin.it <mailto:rossin(at)tin.it>>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:23 AM
>>>>
>>>> At 0:51 +0300 26-10-2006, [Maria Ivanova] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Yes, I guess this is a good idea to create a DD political party.
>>>>>  As for us (Academy of Direct Democracy, Ukraine) we see no way to
>>>>>  create it for now but as the idea it sound good for us.
>>>>>  My best regards, Maria Ivanova
>>>>
>>>> Hi Maria Ivanova,
>>>> Albert Einstein is said he stated :
>>>> "We cannot solve the problems of a system by using the tools of the
>>>> same system that originated them".
>>>> I guess, all the ideas sound good for critical discussion -- yet I
>>>> wholeheartedly appreciate the clear fact that your Academy sees no
>>>> way to create a DD political party.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> antonio
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