Re: [WDDM] Re: [d-europe] Re: [WDDM] Parties and Politics

[Pras Anand <mrpras(at)googlemail.com>]

I agree that if using the current methods the same pressures would apply.

Is anyone in this forum actually interested in DOING anything about this? or
is it just the people front of Judea?

I'm going to http://www.items.fr/globalforum.php3?id_rubrique=75 to present
an idea to change this process, and act directly to change the methodology
behind government.

If anyone has any interest in doing something to try and change this please
let me know and we can create some action. All this talk about creating a
charter and all just serves to become the same unintelligent mechanism we
have at the time of writing.

Is everyone interested in politics unable to act upon change? That is sad


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----- Original Message -----
From: "M. Kolar" <wddm(at)mkolar.org>
To: <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Cc: <cicdd(at)yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Re: [d-europe] Re: [WDDM] Parties and Politics


> I am personally afraid that any party, however good are its initial
> intentions and its internal structure, if it would try to become successful
> in the current political system, if would be under enormous pressure to use
> the same methods as other parties, and it would have very hard time to
> avoid corruption and dilution of DD principles.
> Mirek
>
> Bruce Eggum wrote:
>
> > We need to strongly advocate Direct Democracy.  What ever group we are in
> > we can advocate. Political Parties are not that different than other
> > groups. The name Party, tells us this group is "political".
> >
> > As we advocate for DD, more and more will grast the idea and hopefully
> > subscribe to it. A DD Party would than be one who has DD as a major
> > statement in their ideologies. Of course, continual advocacy is necessary
> > as people and ideas change. The world is in constant argument, so
> > advocacy is essential.
> >
> > Organization of people supporting DD so we all speak the same voice is
> > essential. A DD Party could provide this organizational factor, but it
> > will take strong DD voices to accomplish.
> >
> > ATB Bruce Eggum
> >
> > On 10/27/06, Franz Isemann, MD wrote:
> >
> >     Dear Antonio,
> >     I fully agree. The awful thing with parlamentary DD-parties is: they
> >     become
> >     very easily corrupted.
> >     That also occured to the German Green Party, which was in the
> > beginning
> >     rather fond of DD, not though Joschka Fischer.
> >     Franz
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     From: Antonio Rossin
> >     To: <democracy-europe(at)yahoogroups.com, ....
>
> >     Subject: Re: [d-europe] Re: [WDDM] Parties and Politics
> >
> >
> >      > Dear Franz,
> >      >
> >      > glad with reading of you.
> >      >
> >      > I agree with you, but "a party for DD" is no "DD political party".
> >      > Let's suppose, any political party can be "for", i.e. in favour
> >     of, DD:
> >      > provided only it supports "Initiative & Referendum" directly from
> >      > the people bottom-up.
> >      >
> >      > ciao,
> >      >
> >      > antonio
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > At 17:49 +0200 26-10-2006, Franz Isemann, MD wrote:
> >      >>Dear friends,
> >      >>A party for DD is different from any other party, as long DD is
> >     really
> >      >>practice within that party. Einsteins message cannot apply in this
> >      >>context.
> >      >>But a party for DD is a difficult task and needs permanent
> >     selfrenewal.
> >      >>In other words it needs a strong nucleus of very competent and
> >     devoted
> >      >>DD-freaks and also a very good internal constitution.
> >      >>Franz Isemann
> >      >>
> >      >>
> >      >>----- Original Message -----
> >      >>From: Antonio Rossin < rossin(at)tin.it>
> >      >>Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:23 AM
> >      >>
> >      >>At 0:51 +0300 26-10-2006, [Maria Ivanova] wrote:
> >      >>>
> >      >>>  Yes, I guess this is a good idea to create a DD political
> > party.
> >      >>>  As for us (Academy of Direct Democracy, Ukraine) we see no way
> > to
> >      >>>  create it for now but as the idea it sound good for us.
> >      >>>  My best regards, Maria Ivanova
> >      >>
> >      >>Hi Maria Ivanova,
> >      >>Albert Einstein is said he stated :
> >      >>"We cannot solve the problems of a system by using the tools of
> > the
> >      >>same system that originated them".
> >      >>I guess, all the ideas sound good for critical discussion -- yet I
> >      >>wholeheartedly appreciate the clear fact that your Academy sees no
> >      >>way to create a DD political party.
> >      >>Cheers,
> >      >>antonio