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00501: Re: Systems of Voting: there is a bug there? (I/II)

From: Bruce Eggum <bruce.eggum(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 18:38:19 -0600
Subject: Re: Systems of Voting: there is a bug there? (I/II)

No Antonio, it is the consensus of WDDM.
WDDM email list is for administration purposes only.
Agreed by WDDM members.

I also do not send mail to you personally. I hit reply all. You likely hit reply instead of reply all so you sent personal email to me. It happens.


Bruce,

M. Kolar 

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  Nov 30

I also completely agree with Chris.
I suggest that you do not forward the copies of this kind of abstract
discussions to the WDDM mailing list, it would be nice if you could keep them
in the  more appropriate fora. I also hoped we will concentrate here on
those PRACTICAL STEPS as Chris suggests, on how to make this site and the WDDM
somehow useful for the efforts to improve  democracy.
Mirek

chris redmond wrote:

> you say feedback welcome.  can i suggest that the wddm concentrate
> it's efforts and communications on specific practical steps re direct
> democratic administration, and leave this kind of rubbish for those
> who are also comfortable with equally irrelevant and inappropriate
> forms of government.
> cheers,
> chris

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WDDM Webmaster 

<wbm@world-wide-democracy.net>to Giorgio, wddm

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  Jul 19

Dear Girgio!
   The WDDM mailing list was not supposed to be another discussion forum. Just
a tool for various "administrative", member-related, organizational
announcements. Nothing that you submit to it will automatically appear on the
WDDM pages (Wiki). However, nothing is lost, everything is stored, one can
retrieve all old submissions by sending (empty) e-mail messages to addresses as
described in the WDDM mailing list help
(http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/maillisthelp.html).
  (In due time, I will put manually the most important old submissions on the
Wiki pages, but everything can do that.)
  If you want something to appear on the WDDM pages, you have to log into the
Wiki, and edit old pages, or create the new ones. It is really very simple.
Please read all the help pages linked to the WDDM Wiki main page
(http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/Wiki/GettingStarted).
  I apologize for slow responses, you have to bear with me over the summer, I
have been working very hard on another interesting web site for most of the
past month (finally practically finished), and I also want to spend some time
outdoors.
  Mirek


On 12/10/05, Antonio Rossin wrote:
At 13:45 -0600 10-12-2005, Bruce Eggum wrote:
>Dear Antonio
>
>You said: (ant)
>Thanks, Leopoldo. You gave me a concise report of what the
>existing "System of Voting" are.  But this goes a bit off-topic.
>The topic was, in my intention, opening a discussion about the
>why and the how the current voting system -- whichever it
>may be -- could, or should, be changed.
>
>Obviousley this discussion does NOT belong on WDDM list.
>Please feel free to post it on CICDD if you choose to continue.
>Bruce
>

Bruce,

Obviously, the above is your personal opinion only,
not that of the list. At least, it is not mine.  Well then?

Therefore, feel free not to reply to posts which you
consider off-topic, if you like, and most of all, stop
please addressing me personally.

Rather, if you wanted to keep on with the discussion
about an quite administrative topic that belongs to the
WDDM list, please do honestly reply to the post below
(which I attach for your commodity.)

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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 09:01:36 +0100
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
From: Antonio Rossin
Subject: Towards un-muddling WDDM's waters
Cc: cicdd(at)yahoogroups.com, M. Kolar

Dear Mirek, and democrat colleaguess

as you know, the world-wide-democracy.net domain
is about one year old, which means its yearly Internet
registration should expire these days.  Let me take the
occasion for a brief report of the administration history
of WDDM.

WDDM has born at the Athens' 2.nd CICDD meeting,
thanks to George Sagi's U.S.# 100 for its international
registration. (G.S. also drafted the WDDM Founding
Documents on behalf of its members)

After that, the WDDM registration was up for three
years over thanks to its web master Pino Strano (who
but beard the registering expense and the secretariat
task for pure power-seeking purposes).

To date, the WDDM structure -- for what it is -- is
up thanks to you Mirek, and your terrific effort as the
WDDM web master and "admin".


Well now:
no problem for the WDDM domain registration fees,
thanks to antonio (myself) who made a donation for
that fee. No problem also for covering the registration
fee of the next year 2006, because my donation has
been calculated to cover a two years registration fee.

(Clearly, I'm speaking of  the financial administration
only. All of us have to thank each other for supporting
WDDM with the mostly valuable contribution of our
sincere DD ideas, and the spent time).

But the problem is now, I won't made any further
donation for the expiring of WDDM domain on 2007.
Therefore, Mirek and members, we have one year for
deciding how to keep on with the WDDM domain and
its organization and administration mastering alive.

As for my humble opinion, it is just us WDDM members
who have to contribute with a membership fee for every
WDDM vital necessity, so to keep it on being our own
sovereign democratic property. I'm not in favour of
individual donations, or, far worse, for funding offered
by the corporate companies (as once Jiri Polak and
Mike Gravel tried to do).  Anyway:

Let's hope us WDDM members will land finally and
take into account the pragmatic necessities of real
Democracy. Let me recommend this to:

- the innocent democrat, who thinks of Democracy it
is built as soon as a sound DD Constitution is built.
He seems to ignore that in order to build a sound DD
Constitution the DD (Constitution) builders shall be
built prior, and the DD users shall be built as well.

- the axiomatic scientist, who took our DD discussion
rooms as his own pit, to spam to, aiming to self-promote
his elitist dogmas.

- the administration power-seeker, who urges us to
turn our World Wide Democracy into a monopoly of
bureaucracy.

See original quotes below.


Regards,
antonio

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At 14:38 -0500 6-12-2005, John Baker wrote:
Yes but..

I thought this was a DD advocacy forum. Discussing
NMT as a prerequisite for DD seems off-topic to me.
Personally,  I believe the majority can be trusted more
than a minority. This means I am more afraid of anything
less than a democractic decision.

I do not know what the best decision is for the whole,
therefore I ask each individual for their honest opinion.
The only way to do that is via a democratic vote.
Therefore, I support DD, unequivacably. I ave no doubt
that DD is better for everyone as a whole for this reason
and therefore I am not concerned about NMT.

Once a global DD constitution is established I believe
NMT will take care of itself.

Respectfully,
JB

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At 20:34 +0100 7-12-2005, Georges Metanomski wrote:
 > John Baker wrote:

 >

 > > After glancing at Georges site, it seems to me to be
 > > a play for recognition. Notice how every page of the
 > > site is prefaced by his name.
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It's not my site, but that of an English scientist and
philosopher Evans who for some reason, rightly or wrongly,
esteems me and my writings and asked me for permission
to collect them in a part of his "Academy" devoted to me
and edited by him the way he judged best.
Georges.

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At 15:01 -0600 6-12-2005, Bruce Eggum wrote:
Dear John and Others

Antonio has again muddied the waters so discussion
gets sidetracked and people leave the lists and resign.

I see he has again copied to WDDM which is an
administrative list. I will send there with this reply
but it is not for this type discussion.  The CICDD
list is open so unless members police themselves
about ethics, Antonio can rave on in that list.

We do not need Antonio "acronym's" with his own
perverse meanings which are not universally known.
People have enough problem with language without
adding new unknowns.


(remaining Bruce's deleted)




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