Re: WWDDM official registration -- and further details.

[Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it>]

Pino was authorized to purchase a WDDM domain - encompassing

the purchase of the site name - to build up a WDDM web site, which

he never did.

The reason is, he was interested in working out DD bureaucratic voting

rules only.  We had several face-to-face meetings, mostly at his home

but also at my home. I helped him for the English translation of his rules,

but also I urged him for the building up of the WDDM web site, for which

task he had the necessary web-master skills, and the WDDM membership

authorization of course.  Not only, but I also supported him with about a

hundred US dollars for (one half, he said, of) the purchasing of the WDDM

domain account.

A year or two later, as he was doing nothing for the web site, I urged

him more and more. He refused harshly. So our friendship went down.

Also, the WDDM membership cooperation started to break-down.

He gave me back my money. He found another helper for the English

editing of his bureaucratic rules, namely Bruce Eggum.

Of course you cannot find anything of this in the WDDM archives, as

all of this happened in face-to-face encounters between me and Pino.

In the WDDM archives you can find only that Pino's (and Bruce's)

proposal for WDDM to state out his own "DD bureaucratic voting

rules" officially worldwide has been rejected by WDDM *regular

voting* and that Pino retired from WDDM secretariat and web-master

"because WDDM could not come to any decision by *regular voting*

rules", he stated, without noticing the paradox he was putting himself

into. (His supporters did not notice that paradox either)

In saying (and doing) that, Pino found the support of his helpers, who

wanted WDDM to become a structured organization able to do...what?

I did not understand their purpose, so late. This is why I posted (below)

in my first contribution to this forum:

Let me recall:

> > As for details like DD "Fundamentals", DD
> > "constitutions", "unique
> > adequate DD Forum logistic support" and similar DD rules,
> > please
> > notice that WDDM can be either:
> >
> > 1.  A DD activists' organization wanting to vote and decide
> > what
> >      the best rules have to be for DD to succeed
> > and the DD people
> >      to follow;
> > [or]
> >
> > 2.   A DD show where the people can find, confront and
> > share
> >      the DD suggestions and policies that they
> > need of to perform
> >      DD bottom-up.

Of course, my opinion is in favour of  2.   And yours ?

Please answer, dear WDDM membership, to help avoid any further

misunderstandings.

Regards,  antonio

P.S.

Also, if I remember well, Pino was not among the few people who

first designed - founded WDDM at Delphi.  That day, he wanted to

attend somewhere else. He joined the group the day after, this is

why his name appeared among the WDDM FMs too-- like that of

Mautner, who - again, if I remember well - did not attend at Delphi.

At 16:57 -0500 20-04-2005, Bruce Eggum wrote:

> Pino was authorized to purchase the WDDM
> site name for WDDM.
> Minutes of those actions are in the Yahoo WDDM archives. WDDM
> had no accounts to purchase, which needed to be accomplished .
> However no procedures were ever established nor a treasurer
> elected.
> This was the downfall of the old WDDM.
> Bruce,
> please see http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/Wiki/NameorWDDM and post
> your coments there.
>
> On 4/20/05,Antonio Rossin wrote:
> > Hi WDDM members,
> >
> > Please notice, the WDDM registration that George Kokkas made in
> > the queue of 2nd CICDD at Athens, 2000, is the Official
> > International
> > Registration of a corporate organization devoted to implement DD.
> > George Sagi paid 100 US# for that.
> >
> > The registration  Bruce is speaking of is the Internet
> > registration of
> > a domain name, that Pino Strano made later wanting to secure the
> > Internet name property. Btw, Pino secured it for his own
> > ownership,
> > not for WDDM's: indeed it remains his personal property
> > still.
> >
> > --------------------
> >
> > As for details like DD "Fundamentals", DD
> > "constitutions", "unique
> > adequate DD Forum logistic support" and similar DD
> > rules, please
> > notice that WDDM can be either:
> >
> > 1.  A DD activists' organization wanting to vote and decide
> > what
> >      the best rules have to be for DD to succeed
> > and the DD people
> >      to follow;
> >
> > 2   A DD show where the people can find, confront and
> > share
> >      the DD suggestions and policies that they
> > need of to perform
> >      DD bottom-up.
> >
> > My opinion is, the new WDDM has to behave according with 2.
> >
> > In even clearer words, WDDM has not to drop down* the best
> > bureaucratic rule, the best definition, the best constitution
> > chart,
> > the best anything else* onto the people.  Rather, WDDM has
> > to
> > provide the democrat people with a range as widest as possible
> > of DD options, suggestions too only if specifically requested, to
> > allow the people to choose from.
> >
> > For this Direct necessity, suffice it the WDDM web site to host
> > the web page of any member who thinks of his-her ** proposal
> > it could be relevant for DD purposes, and wants to put it at the
> > people's disposal, making the latter free to choose.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > antonio
> > (WDDM Founding Member)
>
>
>
>
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>
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