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Some Political Awareness struck a mind in 1990/1991 ...
when some things could be pointed out as weak system principles within the voting system OneManOneVote ...
which actually underlines the choice of the people in selecting governmental fellow citizen ...

Some Weak Things

Even More Emerging Bugs

Building New Thougths

http://www.globalgeniusvoter.com builds the international speak; http://www.globalgeniusvoter.com/hollland.html builds the dutch pilot ...
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S'ace,
you are bringing up really important points in your analysis of the one-person-one-vote principle, which usually never come in mind. This principle is rightly considered one of the pillars of democracy because it took a lot of effort to achieve it - its recognition was a big progress from the time when only the people of status or wealth or male gender could vote, or people had different number of votes in proportion of their wealth.
But you are right that even the one-person-one-vote principle can be unjust if people are not really equal (as in the case of economic inequality discussed in your co-authored big paper "Systems of Voting: is there a bug, there?") I was aware of the effect of economic inequality, and believed that true democracy requires that people must also have equal economic opportunities.
But never before have I thought about the effect of age! You are right that the older the people are, the less they would feel the results of their decissions on their own (remaining) lives. On the other hand, the older the people are, the more responsible (on average) they are, and so they could be expected to make wiser decisions, and also take into account the impact of their decisions (vote) on their descendent.
Do you think that this (the increased wisdom) could compensate fully for the shortness of their remaining lives? Or do you suggest to make the weight of ones vote dependent on their age? Then I suggest that it should not be linearly proportional to the remaining life expected life, but decrease much slower than that. And what about the very young children, who are still not wise at all? The weight of their votes should also be decreased. So people might start to be eligible for voting maybe at about age 10, but with a very little vote weight, let's say 1/10 of a full vote. Then their vote weight would increase somehow with their age till they would be given a full vote (1) in their "best" age (when that can be? - in their 20's or 30's?), and after that their vote weight would decrease slowly again, but not too fast because they get wiser and wiser, till something around 1/2(?) of a full vote at old age (70?, 80?). It would probably require a lot of research to determine an optimal dependence of one's vote weight on the persons age.
Have you thought about it, how to make a better replacement for the one-person-onevote principle?
-- MiKolar (2006-05-27 02:32:09)
I see, you have quite a detailed proposal of your voting system on your site ...
I was thinking again about this matter. It looks like what you are proposing is actually refining the notion of equality. It's good to think about it, and prepare a good theory how to improve it. But I think that it is not a big priority at present. We have a more pressing things to do. We still have to fight the efforts to limit even the present one-person-one-vote principle. First we have to concentrate on the introduction of DD - more participation of all the citizens. I agree that at present there is no equality at all between a person who is 18 + 1 day and 18 - 1 day at the election time, and this should be rectified soon. So there should be some gradually increased participation in voting from the age of about 8-10 till 18 from the 0 votes at 8 till 1 vote at the 18 (or 16, 17?) years of age. But after that I would keep the voting weight unchanged (1 equal vote for all ages above 18) for a long time (I think that increased wisdom compensates quite well the decreasing remaining life time of a person). People will have to think very thouroughly for a long time about changing this to avoid the introduction of new inequalities. No two people of equal age are identical in all their mental capabilities anyway - it would be a can of worms to open at this time.
-- MiKolar (2006-05-29 01:07:02)
this comment of MiKolar is for me of great importance:
it gives me an opportunity to compose an answer on the (music)lines provided by those comments ... consider my contribution as the dancing notes on those lines?

nb. procedure noting that i'll break every line by }} and close my notes by {{
(sort of poor however clear marking up language)
=====1st comment ::
S'ace, you are bringing up really important points in your analysis of the one-person-one-vote principle, which usually never come in mind.
}}thanks for being with me for a few moments ;-){{
This principle is rightly considered one of the pillars of democracy because it took a lot of effort to achieve it - its recognition was a big progress from the time when only the people of status or wealth or male gender could vote, or people had different number of votes in proportion of their wealth.
}}okay, it was achieved in a time when there was no capability for people to connect (as nowadays by being wired :: also on purpose resonating planet H earth){{
But you are right that even the one-person-one-vote principle can be unjust if people are not really equal (as in the case of economic inequality discussed in your co-authored big paper "Systems of Voting: is there a bug, there?") I was aware of the effect of economic inequality, and believed that true democracy requires that people must also have equal economic opportunities.
}}I donot see the sense for “equal economic opportunities” = is the right for a holiday responding equality (in example) :: I can see the equal circumstance for peace or for having food or clean water and pure air{{
But never before have I thought about the effect of age!
}}I see age as a fractal of all ages by slicing life into universal generation states = using the 7 year lifetime to regenerate all bodycells as, however arbitrary, an acceptable timespan{{
You are right that the older the people are, the less they would feel the results of their decissions on their own (remaining) lives.
}}Each day is a new day, this a given thing for each individual. If not, explain (how, why, where, … make it explicit?). So in fact the principles behind my story that proves the significance of GGV’s angle is: each individual is yung and old at every moment of its life: it is relative ! Come break out of your EGGY ! fellow citi-zen ;-) {{
On the other hand, the older the people are, the more responsible (on average) they are, and so they could be expected to make wiser decisions, and also take into account the impact of their decisions (vote) on their descendent.
}}I donot think an older wo/man can be expected to make a wiser decision => read John Cleese : How to Survive the Family (docter)? (teasing and pleasing an old italian friend who lectures on flexibilities). And … in the meantime take Hodges model serious, for God Sake! Listen to peter jones (par example): http://hodges-model.blogspot.com/ . Why : he presents a Quadrant with a good story on individual/collective & mechanistic/humanistic {{
Do you think that this (the increased wisdom) could compensate fully for the shortness of their remaining lives?
}}if you think old europe is getting older, wiser and economically (global seen) more competitive and a nice play to be alive … why bother DD or RD … Understand that Einstein said : “e-merge” to another way of thinking => which I practise (why not – I am a sacked public affair servant because I am good? perfect! in my job => saying nobody is requested to be perfect on purpose and presence?){{
Or do you suggest to make the weight of ones vote dependent on their age?
}}I say: see the system of voting underneath the voting as an arbitrary sensible one. Which needs to be Lectured before anyone can possibly move from the spot s/he is b:locked (blogged?) on. So, it seems sensible to NARRATE the story behind, i.e. metaphorically reminding the paper that notes music notes: 5 lines to make the notes different because of their height on the paper, say under/between/up to the lines. Simple as that … for everyone the same path on the voting path … and with what goal at the end : be as a VOTEE ! And there you can agree with me on the SYSTEMS CONSTRAINT here that a VOTEE (candidate representative in order to be active in the political/representative field) cannot VOTE: or has NO POINTS :: because s/he is doing the doing : integral naked human(istic)!{{
Then I suggest that it should not be linearly proportional to the remaining life expected life, but decrease much slower than that.
}}see for the lines before, and I sure can think of the “suffer?” you are experiencing … just because the whole view is reframing the whole mindset on what integral democracy means …{{
And what about the very young children, who are still not wise at all?
}}they are as wise as the most eldest people and also as wise as the ones we choose as representative LEADER OF THE PAC(T) = not saying that other people cannot be wise as well ;-) {{
The weight of their votes should also be decreased.
}}Let me offer the imagination that a wo/man who lives his life art/skill/love-fully binds his way of living automatically with his relatives who listen (more!) and realise oneself (in the meantime) … The Baby is a real peacemaker … (except for who? for what kind of “people” – better not talk about them?) {{
So people might start to be eligible for voting maybe at about age 10, but with a very little vote weight, let's say 1/10 of a full vote.
}}Let me say I thought of 2 voting circuits: a local one and a global (state?) one. The local starts at 8 years of age and the other one at 15 years of age: both have the rhythm 0-20-40-60-80-100-80-60-40-20-0 . There is a dissonant situation at the mid-generation (43-49): that one has 100 points on the global field and 80 points on the local field (function? get used to getting down on the global score card … so GROW UP and BE MATURE!{{
Then their vote weight would increase somehow with their age till they would be given a full vote (1) in their "best" age (when that can be? - in their 20's or 30's?), and after that their vote weight would decrease slowly again, but not too fast because they get wiser and wiser, till something around 1/2(?) of a full vote at old age (70?, 80?).
}}You, everyone being part of the democracy field, each citizen, is right now on his best age ever … How do you feel? Remember you are now drilled by the old paradigm of 1man1vote? Get out of that psychic pressure! Right Now … and build on with … (the new world?view) = what you can deliver for the best.{{
It would probably require a lot of research to determine an optimal dependence of one's vote weight on the persons age.
}}on this event : 2006 – remember 911, iraq, the ice, all the stress and sickness, the gore-movie etc., lazlo, wilber, cohen … s’ace (yoking?) … THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE = just emerge to the new paradigm in abundance! {{
Have you thought about it, how to make a better replacement for the one-person-onevote principle?
}}yeah, I heard my girlfriend say : you should have to be able to vote on the person you want to get out of the political arena! aint she smart … and cute ;-) {{
=====2nd comment ::
I see, you have quite a detailed proposal of your voting system on your site ...
}}well, see it as an egoistic adventure to come to … lucknow, december 2006? and then pivot to a more egolutionary person (finally loving other monkeys){{
I was thinking again about this matter. It looks like what you are proposing is actually refining the notion of equality.
}}I like that note: refining the notion of equality :: THANKS, I let this in as having contact with YOU :-)) {{
It's good to think about it, and prepare a good theory how to improve it.
}}I do not have to prove anything :: the other system is proving itself day by day as an illusion for some time … (on human progress){{
But I think that it is not a big priority at present.
}}there is just one priority – day by day – just 1 priority – which is in the SERPENT :: SEX :: Survival :: LIFEFORCE number ONE{{
We have a more pressing things to do.
}}aha, you do have a job, and a wife, and children == that reminds me to mr. charles bukowski saying: everyone can get a JOB (biblic person?) , it’s a wo/man who can make (whistling){{
We still have to fight the efforts to limit even the present one-person-one-vote principle.
}}Who or What is offering you the fight? and in what SCRIPT? ShakeSpeare?{{
First we have to concentrate on the introduction of DD - more participation of all the citizens.
}}indeed you have to concentrate :: on the new EINSTEIN (cutey) … :: SIMPLICITY kills the CAT ) {{
I agree that at present there is no equality at all between a person who is 18 + 1 day and 18 - 1 day at the election time, and this should be rectified soon.
}}just accept arbitrary things as STAFF :: compare this to driving left of right :: it is arbitrary for what is the best , just be smart and follow the STAFF – silence of the lambs ) {{
So there should be some gradually increased participation in voting from the age of about 8-10 till 18 from the 0 votes at 8 till 1 vote at the 18 (or 16, 17?) years of age.
}}except for FEELing and THINKing and DOing … did you ever thought of SPECTATING and ACTing on the moment that finally came? I suggest you do … ACT & NAVIGATE Y our Time{{
But after that I would keep the voting weight unchanged (1 equal vote for all ages above 18) for a long time (I think that increased wisdom compensates quite well the decreasing remaining life time of a person).
}}CHANGE is now on the COLLECTIVE CORE LEVEL: Each Year the Ticker goes off (where we could still decide on the Ticker represented by the Gregorian Year, by BirthYear or … KIN = Mayan calendar 20::13){{
People will have to think very thouroughly for a long time about changing this to avoid the introduction of new inequalities.
}}Yeah, that is why I gave them some mobile phones and games on them … to get used to change … :-) Look for mr. Pras and his social computerHead? (ing to give his skillful aid to the WAY of S’ace) {{
No two people of equal age are identical in all their mental capabilities anyway - it would be a can of worms to open at this time.
}}from
http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/hex_33-48/hex_e_45.htm
to
http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/hex_33-48/hex_e_11.htm {{
===conclusion reflecting my state of mined ::
the lucknow mission is offered and mission is schedule …
guided with :: (sort of wisdom which is belistened)
in order to facilitate an opportunity in attuning energies ...
i can give here a schedule and a procedure gesture that may be of the
mutual convenience
each week is from wednesday till (ruby) next tuesday:
week 46 - yi 23
week 47 - yi 35
week 48 - yi 12
week 49 - yi 45
week 50 - yi 17
week 51 - yi 58
week 52 - yi 43
week 1 - yi 5
week 2 - yi 11
week 3 - yi 26
the procedure
each day remind the big picture ...
each day focus the daily focus ...:
wednesday :: initial 6/9 (which mirrors the opposite, say mutual, side
of relationship)
thursday 6/9 at 2; friday at 3; saturday at 4; sunday at 5; monday at
6; tuesday the whole view contemplating personal development integral
democracy partner.
at Yiour Service
s'ace
oh and pick the Yi from http://www.anton-heyboer.org/i_ching/
or from your winding wondering welll! dissonant enrichment to the
collective harmony.
-- GlobalGeniusVoter (2006-11-21 09:46:28)