From: Hamid <esi1mohseni2(at)hotmail.com>
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 3:14:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Chocolate minarets and Multikulti (for Hamid)
I think it is not the right board for discussing this kind of subjects so if you are interested to continue the discussion please use more private ways
Anyhow I could not resist to write a short answer to your arguments.
There are just and unjust fights. I support your fight in Warsaw Ghetto because you had no other alternatives than fight for your survivance. I am sorry that I can not support you fully in
your fight against your neighbours (Not Arabs because Arabs originate from Saudi Arabian. Your neighbours talk Arabic and are muslims because they were occupied and forced
to it by Saudi Arabian before) because of all unfair actions against them before by Israelis and Western colonialists who support Israel by all necessary means. I think Israelis are
also offer for Western colonial ambitions and are abused as a colonial base in the region. Many Jews has been living more or less peacefully in Middle East countries
before.
Creation of Israel and Western colonial powers abuse of Israel has made it almost impossible for jews to live in any other countries in middle east than Israel.
In the case of Taliban I ask myself what did they get from West for their support and fight against Russia but death, injuries and powerty. Perhaps they found themselves lurked by West. We should also remember that it is not Talibans who are in western territories and attacking West but they are in their own countries and only defending themselves against occupants as you did in Ghetto.
Regards
Hamid
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From:
Georges MetanomskiSent: Monday, October 25, 2010 1:21 PM
To: <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Subject: RE: [WDDM] Chocolate minarets and Multikulti (for Hamid)
> Hamid:
> You say 60% of muslims request the recognition of sharia. I
> wounder how realistic is these kind of statistics. You talk about
> muslims as group but muslims are as christians individuals whith very
> different opinions and understandings. Generalizations are most of the
> time wrong and dangerous.
> ===============
> G:
> YES and NO.
> In Warsaw Ghetto and subsequently in the occupied Poland I have been
> several times saved by Nazi officials and even by an SS-man, so I
> opposed putting all Germans, Nazis and even SS in one pot.
>
> But when the SS marched into the Ghetto on the Passion Week 1943
> in order to send the rest of inmates to gas, I joined the uprising
> and was shooting at them
as at a block.
>
> In Haifa I have hundreds of Arab students and colleagues, all friends.
> My wife exposed in the Arab Culture Center and our doctor was an
> Arab. But these Arabs were normal, civilized people behaving like the
> rest of Israelis and Western tourists, in sharp contrast with imported
> thugs of Paris suburbs, whom the French, scared to enter their
> neighborhoods, see as a block, as a rioting, criminal mob.
>
> And, when, back in Israel, storming a school taken hostage, I saw
> the terrorists as a block and left the floor to my M16.
>
> Same, when Arab armies larger than the whole Israeli population
> invaded Israel, tempting to exterminate it, I saw and fought them
> as a block, even if a good percentage of Egyptian soldiers were
> doubtless moderate and humane.
>
> There is time for talking and time for fighting and we
are,
> unfortunately, facing the aggressive jihad, which leaves the floor
> to arms. We should be magnanimous, once having won, like we were
> with Germany and Japan, but talking and negotiating amidst the war
> is tantamount to surrender. Yet, more and more things in heaven and
> earth show that we are more likely to lose, than to win it.
>
> Your historical analysis is good, but we have to face the concurrent
> situation. It's true that the CIA has financed, armed and trained Taliban mudjahadeen, so that they fight now Americans with American
> arms and that Hamas has American sol-air missiles planned to be used
> against commercial flights. Does it mean that we should not fight
> Taliban and Hamas? No, it means that, while fighting them, we should
> avoid similar idiocies in future.
> ====================
> Hamid:
> There is kind of humanity and love in poor
and colonized countries which you not find in western colonial countries.
> ======================
> G:
> A bit hasty. There are thousands of Korczaks, Father Kolbes, Abbe
> Pierres in Europe.
>
> Actually, I believe that we are nearly agreeing. The issue seems to
> be 1.whether DD may arrange things and 2.how to get it.
>
> I'm rather pessimistic.
>
> As for 2. please read my
>
http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/POLITICS/shadow_eng.html>
> As for 1. I fear that conditioned and manipulated masses are entirely
> incapable of debating and learning and will always chose the loudest
> rhetorician. In 1933, a supposed German DD would certainly vote for
> Hitler. A feeble proof within our feeble WDDM: I suggested a DD
> debate apprenticeship
in my post "Direct Democracy" and there is not
> even one answer.
>
> Cheers
> Georges.
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>
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