RE: [WDDM] A couple questions

["Jim Powell" <autoinfo(at)acenet.co.za>]

Hi Bill,

I agree that the theoretical discussions are endless

For me, the most important way to give control to the voters is to educate them that there is and alternative in Direct Democracy

The mainstream sector in power simply ignore the logic of DD and the problem goes away because the average person wants to be in a system that they do not have to put any thought or effort into.

Switzerland works because there is a critical % of voters who insist on their control over politicians.

Talking amongst ourselves in WDDM helps people form ideas into firm resolutions. We do not take the next step of going out to the voter base to convince them that the next vote should be for a politician who will support and implement DD

Regards

Jim Powell

From: William McConochie [tstmastr(at)rio.com]
Sent: 17 January 2010 11:43 PM
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Cc: Bill McConochie
Subject: Re: [WDDM] A couple questions

The reason I want to unsubscribe is that these theoretical discussions seem endless.  Theories about the inadequacies of governments and ideal replacement are virtually infinite in variety.  Unless they are well grounded in empirical data, it seems to me impossible to choose one theory over the others or to have confidence that the theory can lead to a workable system that can be tried with the expectation of success in actually working in a state or nation.  I get so many e-mail messages per day that I don't have time for theoretical discussions not firmly grounded in research data.

Also, when I have mentioned that I have a study on my web site for which I need subjects, listserves such as WDDM haven't been a fruitful source for me.  I have a study loaded now that will explore 66 traits of liberals and conservative, I believe.  I need subjects.  If you have students or other groups who are willing to complete 4 questionnaires of 200 or more items each, please contact me.

Bill McConochie.

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From: Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan

To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:52 PM

Subject: Re: [WDDM] A couple questions

We are trying to understand the source of the basic urge for freedom and I broadly agree with Hamid. But Fred Blomson feels we are digressing from Democracy and has expressed his unhappiness with this discussion in a e-mail to me. Bill also is prompted to unsubscribe from this list. Therefore it is better to leave this discussion at this stage.

Vijayaraghavan


On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 16:21:14 +0530 wrote
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I am not expert but I heard in a radio program that even consciousness is eraseable. The woman who suffered of this problem had loosed all her memory over one night. When she looked in

the mirror she could not recognize herself and for her it was like to look to another person. She was forced to experience a new childhood and learn all simple skills from the beginning.

What I meant by living my life as I like was that every living creatures are struggling to satify their own needs. When they are stopped of others or their possibilities in their struggle they will

react and try to get back the control over their life. This reaction is independent of our intellect or knowledge and a demand from our body. Democracy is a way to get back our freedom to

live as we like from those who disturb us in our ambitions.

Regards

Hamid

From: Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan

Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:51 AM

To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net

Subject: Re: [WDDM] A couple questions

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All knowledge that is stored in our mind/brain is transient. They are indeed erasable even in one's own life time. More basic thanknowledge is the 'consciousness' or the feeling of 'I' or the 'self'. Hamid's 'I' would like to live life as it likes and would like to react to perceived 'injustice'. Each individual's 'I' or 'consciousness' has its own predilections depending on past experiences and genetic influences. If Hamid were to live his life after all his memory is erased he would mostly feel the same way since 'consciousness'remains largely the same, subject to the same genetic influences.
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>More basic than 'consciousness' is the 'pure consciousness' or the 'inner self' or 'Self'.We enjoy the taste of this during the blissful twilight zone between deep sleep and becoming fully awake.Further discussion about consciousness enters the zone of metaphysical.
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You forgot to write any conclusions.

You say a lot but almost nothing.

Perhaps your point is that everything wedo is meaningless ( similar to Kafka´s way of thinking? )

I have similar ideas like you. All our knowledge is nothing elsebut chemical changes in our brain and nerves. Our brain is a very little material compared with all material in the world and

this changes has almost no vlue for the world. There are people who loose all their memories and knowledge in a short time because of some sickness or mall function of their bodies.

Everytime I eat I kill other living creatures like animals and plants. If there exist a god he should be ashamed of the world he has created.

But all these knowledge does not prevent me to react to those who dominate or try to dominate me.I try anyhowtolive my life asI like it during my short life time.

Regards

Hamid

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From: David Parker

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