Hi Jim
I have worked in many companies but could not define
them as democratic institutions. Companies were made of shareholders, employed
leaders and workers. Each voters (shareholders)
owned different number of shares in the
company. Each share hopefully (in more democratic companies) had one
vote and thereby each shareholder had
different number of shares depended
on number of shares they owned in the company.
Most of workers had no shares and right to
vote.
As much I have understood and know, in Swiss the
subjects for votings and refrandums are not discussed and selected by
people but politicians. People in Swiss have extra advantage,
compared with many
other political systems in west, that they can put their veto by
voting and refrandums to politicians decision ambitions.
My ambitions and desires for a democratic system (call
it DD or what you like) is that anybody in the society can discuss all kind of
questions of his/her interest with others and propose them
for refrandum and voting if he
/ she find it necessary. As I know this is not the case in Swiss because it is
politicians, not anybody, who choose which questions should be objected for
voting.
Regards
Hamid
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:05 AM
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: RE: [WDDM] Re: GlobalDemo.org now
ready...
Hi
Hamid,
I
believe that the political parties have an important role to play to run the
country.
Consider
that the country is a company. Each voter has 1 share in the company. The
shareholders will appoint (vote) directors and the directors will appoint
managers. These people are responsible to ensure that the company runs
well.
At
a shareholders AGM meeting decisions are made to give policy and specific
instructions. If the shareholders are unhappy with the directors’ decisions they
can call a Special General Meeting (referendum).
I
consider that those involved in DD should set up the system to educate the
members of political parties and the population to move towards DD.
The
Swiss system seems to work well to the extent that there are more people voting
for the referendums than to vote for the political
parties.
Regards
Jim
Powell South Africa
From: Hamid Mohseni
[esi1mohseni2(at)hotmail.com] Sent: 29 Oct 2009 10:30
AM To: World Direct Democracy Subject: RE: [WDDM] Re:
GlobalDemo.org now ready...
Hi
Jim
To repeat, I can not point any governing
political party there politicians practically work as employees of voters. Do
you? Those governing parties I know, work on the principle that
politicians work as leaders and not employees even though they are elected by
voters who has no other alternatives based on DD principles. It is
therefore I participate in WDDM and some other organisations to
create governing parties based on DD princilples. Did Mandela asked for
refrandoms and peoples votings before he made his decisions when he was on
power? No he acted as leader and not
employee.
Regards Hamid
From:
autoinfo(at)acenet.co.za To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net Date: Wed, 28 Oct
2009 21:33:20 +0200 Subject: RE: [WDDM] Re: GlobalDemo.org now
ready...
Hi
Hamid
To
repeat, set up a DD organisation, set up community organizations that operate on
DD principles and have the members openly join a political party and change from
within.
Politicians
are the employees of the voters. Voters decide who gets employed and voters pay
the salaries
Regards
Jim
Powell South Africa
From: Esi
[esi1mohseni2(at)hotmail.com] Sent: 27 Oct 2009 07:55
PM To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net Subject: Re: [WDDM] Re:
GlobalDemo.org now ready...
I am satisfied with
discussions and international communications via WDDM.
I wonder if we can
go one step longer and make real changes toward dirrect democracy in the world
as example by voting on different subjects and sending the results
to authorities in
different countries
and UN? Subjects can be suggested by anyone, facts about the subjects gathered
or/and referred to by anyone, ideas and solution alternative discussed and
suggested by
anybody who is
interested of the subject, voting / refrandoms arranged by WDDM and its members
and afterward the results be sended to authorities who can make real
changes.
Are there any other
suggestions about how we can progress to real changes?
Sent: Monday, October 26,
2009 9:50 PM
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Re:
GlobalDemo.org now ready...
Dear Antonio, It
really does. WDDM seems to be perfect for networking with other people
interested in DD. Perhaps it's because you can take it or leave it, go away
for a few months, come back, give your opinion when and if you want
to.. Convenience is very important to people and WDDM have got that
right.
However, there is a lot of time that's going to waste, not because
the ideas in here are not valid but because I think there will be a massive new
age of censorship aimed at the Web and we will end up divided and unable/afraid
to exchange "dangerous" ideas. This is coming, there is no question. Then we
will wish we would have DONE something sooner. I wish I was wrong, missinformed
or paranoid.
From: Antonio Rossin
<rossin(at)tin.it> To: worldcit(at)googlegroups.com Cc:
wddm@world-wide-democracy.net Sent: Monday, 26 October, 2009
7:53:53 Subject: [WDDM] Re: GlobalDemo.org now
ready...
Hi
James,
everything helps.
Anyway, I was thinking about the
democratic necessity of having an overall DD website to collect, co-ordinate
and show ALL our DD activities, proposals, etc., and supposed the WDDM
website already performed this DD
function.
Regards,
antonio
James Sadri ha
scritto: > Hi Antonio, > > There are direct democracy
advocates who are not into global/transnational democracy and vice-versa, so to
me they're not the same thing. Anyway, if you think we're replicating something,
let's find a way to work together. > > Just for clarification,
*GlobalDemo.org is not a direct democracy website*, it's not somewhere we vote
and make decisions. It somewhere to find out more, discuss opinions, network and
find out how to take action. > > We have had this discussion many
times along the way and we decided there were many places where people come
together to vote but that this neutral platform wasn't going to be one of
them. > > Hope this helps, > > J > > On
Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it> wrote: > > > Hi > > it looks like all DD
lovers volunteers and activists are > going to set-up a DD
web site and a DD Charter each > (myself excluded
) > > antonio > > > > > > > James Sadri ha
scritto: > > Hello friends, >
> > > After much work (all voluntary) from many people
we have finally > > arrived at a website that we think
serves as a platform for the > > various people/groups who
make up the global > > democracy/mundialist/world citizen
movement. > > > > There will
undoubtedly be problems with the site - which is why > we
are > > launching it to this list first - but please use
the 'feedback' > tab on > > the right
hand side to help us improve it with your bug reports and >
> suggestions. There is a little users guide that we're drawing up
for > > the site, but for the moment let's try and test
how > > intuitive/confusing it is. >
> > > Almost everything in the site is editable by the
community (that > means > > you!) so if
you're not happy with a particular section - change it! >
> Just click on the 'edit' tab at the top of the post. Don't
worry > > though, previous revisions are automatically
stored so you can't > > delete things by
mistake.. > > > > We're thinking of
hiring some professional designers to add the > >
finishing touches to the site, but for now it would be great to
get > > some feedback on how it works and what features
you like or not. > > > > Check it
out: GlobalDemo.org <http://GlobalDemo.org> >
> > > _About the site_ >
> > > *Local/Global* >
> > > The site has been structured to encourage
local/national activity > > while also being global at the
same time. This is because we believe > > that although
we're dealing with global issues, local/national >
action > > is critical to getting things
done. > > > > So on your 'country
page', for example, there is a forum which shows > > posts
from all over the world which you can add to. You can however >
> limit it to posts from your country only. >
> > > Similarly, on country pages there is a sidebar
with information > about > > local
groups, politicians, etc and their positions regarding global >
> democracy. > > > >
*Events* > > > > You can view events
from your country or elsewhere on your country > > page,
where you can also add you own events. > > >
> *Organisations* > > > >
However, there is also an 'organisations' page which lists global >
> organisations and initiatives. You can identify yourself as
a > > supporter of a particular initiative or organisation
and the popular > > ones are listed on the
right. > > > >
*Library* > > > > The 'library' is
somewhere where you can read/watch articles and >
films > > about global democracy and discuss them in the
comments. You can > also > > recommend
library items and again popular items will be shown on the >
> right. The library can be restricted by language too. >
> > > *Member profiles* >
> > > As a result of feedback, we made member profiles
quite sophisticated > > so we can learn more about each
other. Each user has a listing of > > recommended books
and organisations they support as well as a > > 'real-life
network' where they can show which people on the site >
they > > have actually met. >
> > > *Languages* >
> > > We have setup the site to be fully translatable,
with the official > > source language being English. We've
got a way to go with > translation > >
- so far German is the only language with near complete. We need >
your > > help. If you could help translating the
site (the text on > buttons etc) > >
into other languages please get in touch at > > <translations(at)globaldemo.org>
. > > Translators have a little web interface so they can
translate > the site > > while they
surf. > > > > *Who are
we?* > > > > The GlobalDemo.org
webteam is a group of volunteers. Details are >
here > > http://globaldemo.org/en/about . We'd
love anyone and everyone to > > join, so get in touch if
you'd like to help out. > > > >
*Finally...* > > > > Thank you to
everyone who has helped out along the way (so far). > >
Everyone is always busy with other projects so I think we should >
> celebrate the fact that we managed to come together and achieve
this > > neutral platform for the movement. >
> > > Thanks to: Alan, Bruce, Chris, Didier,
Filip, Fred, Josep, Ken, > > Mikael, Rob, Rasmus, Ryan,
Rufo, Shimri, Tabs and everyone else who > > has
contributed at one time or another.. > > >
> Cheers, > > > >
GlobalDemo.org Webgroup > > > >
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