- I think your studies are based on Italian
and some other western societies which are not similar to many other
societies and cultures on the earth. I think to make general statements
about democracy mechanism in human
societies we should base it on experiments in different societies in
different parts of the earth and not only Italy and west.
As example you state that few people can
dominate the mass by using propaganda in sophisticated forms. Your
statements is shared by American authorities way of thinking who says
if you repeat lies many times it will be
accepted as truth by people. I don´t agree with this and I think if you
break through some limits you can not convince people in the way you
like and
even get opposite results of you
propaganda. I have heard a story about a sheppard who fooled
people several times by shouting after help for attacking wolves. Each
time
when people came he laughed at them and
they understood he is fooling them to entertain himesel. Once
later he was really attacked by wolves. In that time nobody came to
help him and
he paid for repeating lies and fooling
people by his own life. In countries like Iran which has had corrupted
governments for centuries, governments propaganda oftenl gives the
opposite
results becaus
people trust on governments propaganda is
very low. In old Persian culture and religion people respected truth
very much and lies and propaganda which most of the time is a
kind of lie
was regarded as a big sin, because Iranian
was aware of the power of truth.
- I also have a sense that you think that
corrupt political systems can be changed to real democracies mostly by
changing people and their way of thinking.
Even though I agree with you a great deal
on this point I don´t think that it is enough to stop a corrupt or
dictator political systems only by changing people.
As example people in Iran are and have
been in recent centuries very critical to their political system and
leaders but this has not been enough to change the political system.
Mullas (Islamic priests) in Iran use to
go to mosques everyday and speak for people. One day a known priest did
the following speach for people in mosque:
I was thinking on my way to the mosque
about what I can talk about for you today. I came to a small alley and
saw some dankeys are walking after each other and their owner after
dankeys. The owner pushed and shouted to
the last dankey to force it to walk faster but it could not even it
did its best because the first dankey was slow and unable to go faster.
Then I understood what the dankey owners
is doing is similar to what I have been doing with you. I have been
here for many years and tried to teach you how you can change to better
people but with
no success even though I know you do your best. Today I understood that
I can not change you before I change the first dankey to a better one.
After this speech nobody saw
the mulla any
more probably because he hided himself or arrested by leaders of Iran.
I think a big problem in corrupted
democracies and dictatorships is that governors and leaders dominate
people by controlling economical systems, courts, police and military.
Regards
Hamid
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:30 AM
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Hello as a new member.
Hi Hamid (and Mirek, and list)
My last study on the topic you expose is now uploaded in the Internet
at:
http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/rossin11.htm
Regards,
Antonio Rossin
Hamid Mohseni ha scritto:
In the time we are discussing intellectual prospective of direct
democracy, people and humanity is suffering of dicatatorships, corrupt
and half democracies. To build an ideal and perfect democracy is not an
easy case bacause nature
and livings rules are complicated and all questions and mysteries are
not answered yet. We can not build a perfect
democracy from beginning but we can start somewhere based on some
simple principles decided in democratic way by majority of people while
we are trying to satisfy even minorities as long as possible. One of
these principles can be that
no one is allowed to decide in behalf of others and normal minded
adults against their will. Later on we can continue by
making new decisions in democratic way to solve new problems and
desires.
We can not allow dictators and other illwilling people to continue
torture other people and stop social and welfare progress
anymore.
Regards
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Reifications (like biological entozoic infections of the gut) are
proto-socio-neurological enculturations and as useful fictions
are not necessarily symbiotic with, nor necessarily benignly
adjuvant to the welfare of their unwitting and often naive hosts.
Jud Evans.
Freedom in humans consists of the ability to liberate
oneself from the tyranny of reificationalist imprinting.
Antonio Rossin.
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