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02257: RE: [WDDM] Why I support World Government?

From: "David Parker" <davefparker(at)shaw.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:53:05 -0700
Subject: RE: [WDDM] Why I support World Government?

Day-18328-Rant#00714-I feel the same frustrations. Like Malcolm X once said, "You need some action" How hard is it to put together an idea, a plan, a constitution, a bunch of words? It's simple, I make it up as I go along all the time, but getting people to abandon their plan and take on another are difficult. They can come up with myriad reasons why it won't work and theirs does and will continue to do so even when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. For some reason they seem rigid and unwilling to integrate anything new into their fixed ideals. Some form of cognitive dissonance is affecting their ability to judge and evaluate new information.

World Government is here whether we believe it or not. It's not exactly like the mountains, they don't need you to believe in them to exist, Government requires us to put our energy into it for it to sustain itself. Stop believing in it and it would be nothing more than a bunch of abandoned buildings, banks and military institutions.

Why not put our energy into something creative and constructive rather than the old destructive models. Direct Democracy allows for individual creativity. You can put your idea out there and be laughed at or lauded with praise. Either one is preferable to silence for nothing grows in a vacuum.

EEUP, Educated Electronic Universal Participants or Governance (Not Governors) or WDDM or any other title you want to give it like Nanny State, Papa Government, Tyranny, Anarchy, Commie, Capitalist, Demon Autocracy

Save the people through education and participation. An example of an open letter:

To the Leaders of the World; This is really happening

I'm writing to you because your government appears to be corrupt, at war, in collapse or your population is dying. World Government starts with you at the local and regional levels. You could be known as the Fathers of the New World or just another failed Tyrant, Despot or corrupt elected official.

So you tried as hard as you could but you just couldn't match the economic growth of the USA or other western powers? Your population wants to kill you rather than immortalize you? You have a few wealthy corrupt individuals and the poor are nothing short of slaves under military rule. The reasons are probably many and varied in your mind and the minds of all of your sycophant advisors. The false economy built upon mass consumption of goods and services that brings an improved sense of self satisfaction to the general population is really just an empty form of psychological junk food. They sit in a stupor until told to go off to war to kill for god and country. Eventually the corporation will get you too.

The real growth in the west comes from conquest. They ride the crest of a wave of debt borrowed at the banks. It's a war economy and has been blatantly so for the past century. War profiteering. Mass buildup of the military industrial complex. Intrusive foreign polices destabilizing the Governments of all African, South and Central American, Middle East and Far Eastern nation states by simultaneously arming and training each other. Corrupt political and corporate entities that promote arms sales and weapons buildup in warring nation states overseas. Creating Kuwait and Israel and other nations. Installing the Shah of Iran, Saddam and other Tyrants. Arming, equipping and training  then invading and destroying everything along with millions of people. Counterinsurgency operations to destabilize indigent populations such as creating the PLA, Contra, Sandinista death squads, Al'Qaeda and Taliban. Arming Israel in a centuries old religious conflict with Islam. It's a pattern that you can change.

Our democratic government system is hundreds of years old and not in step with humanities needs. We have global communication to every corner of the planet. There is no reason why we cannot setup a global system of lawmaking, and governance by the population on global issues, regional issues and local issues. A "Direct Democracy". Get the entire population involved in discussions about governance and lawmaking, education and entertainment, housing and population control. Existing laws and rules would slowly undergo transformations removing restrictive archaic aspects. We can present, debate, and vote upon all issues or only  the ones that concern us. We could have a cascading cue of 30, 60, and 90 days on the issues. Have a word limit of (2000) words to propose a law. Have various word limits on posts (300) and rebuttals (500) depending upon the area.

The proposals, debates, voting and empowerment would be done by everyone via the internet and telephone with a pin number. There are many examples of this idea under various names such as National Initiative. The simpler it is the better. It's an addition to the current constitution and laws of your country that allows people to change the laws of the land as needed.

The Laws of the Land of the Direct Democracy:
Thou shall not kill.
Thou shall not steal

The International Anthem:
Ten Years after - I'd love to change the world

The International Motto:
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

The Direct Democratic Constitution:

Article 1

Amendment I

We the People, hereby establish this First Article to the Direct Democratic Constitution.

Article I.

Section 1. The House of the People

Clause 1: The House of the People shall be composed of the entirety of We the People of the Planet Earth.

Clause 2: No Person shall be a member of the House of the People who shall not have attained the Age of Ten Years, and is a Citizen of the Planet Earth.

Clause 3: Each Citizen in the House of the People shall have one Vote in conjunction with a weighted voting exam.

Clause 4: The House of the People shall in all times be sitting, and shall not adjourn for any reason, but does not need to gather physically in order to proceed in Session.

Clause 5: The Numbers comprising the majority and two thirds of The House of the People shall be determined by the most recent Census, or by other method that The House of the People shall deem necessary.

Clause 6: The House of the People shall choose the manner by which they will conduct its Rules of Proceedings, and shall choose to expel a Member, but only with the Concurrence of two thirds.

Clause 7: The House of the People shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same.

Section 2. The Powers of The House of the People

Clause 1: Any Member of The House of the People shall have the power to propose Laws, which upon Majority Vote shall become the Law of the Land, but may not enact any Law in violation of this Constitution, and all Laws enacted Thereof shall be subject to Judicial Review to Test the Constitutionality of such Laws.

Clause 2: The House of the People shall have the Power to overrule any Legislation, Rules, Appointments, Treaties, or Executive Orders issued by the Senates, Houses of Representatives, or the former rulers upon reaching Majority.

Clause 3: The House of the People shall have the sole Power of Recall of any legislative, executive, judicial, or civil officer, but may only Recall such an officer upon reaching Majority; however the Power of Recall shall not extend further than the removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the Democracy: but the Party recalled shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Clause 4: The House of the People, whenever two thirds Concur, shall have the Power to enact Amendments to this Constitution.

Clause 5: The Members of the House of the People shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the Democracy.

Attach a sample weighted voting exam. I don't want to come up with all the questions so you could come up with some like "why" was the Spanish American war fought, not where, when and by whom. Name events connected with the following dates in America: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865, 1913, 1963

When is the UN, a single nation or even someone with real leadership abilities going to provide a website for the citizens of the world to login to. All I ever see is industry and government calling for more controls and more restrictions on the internet and access to information.

We need a Direct Democratic forum to start working on a World Government by the people for the people. A website the population can login to with a secure password that has every possible type of community forums and a pin for voting legal and governmental issues to lodge complaints and to share our ideas with each other. Setup something like a combination radio, TV, Video on demand archive, facebook, youtube, myspace, limewire, wiki, open source software database, webcam, dating, chat room, net meeting, mIRC, cspan, job board, Pogo, Poker, MMORPG type of resource.

This MMORPG game, with interactive education as entertainment, would provide a healthy alternative to the current culture. It's not perfect but it would be a good start and it is open to change and growth after all evolution and problem solving is what we are all about. We just need some people with knowledge and resources to put something together. Make it so number one. A quote from the great socialist naval dictatorship series.

I have three levels of game play in mind. Learn from the past, live in the present, design for the future. You work you way up in each through the accumulation of skills and knowledge, one compliments the other. The chances that you could actually complete a level are quite low because they would be continually being updated and expanded. Just learning every Language on the planet could take a lifetime. Your progress is tracked and could be displayed in a meter format over your avatar to show your current status. You only need to achieve certain essential goals by accumulating knowledge to unlock the next level. You can return to complete lower level quests at any time. The more knowledge you accumulate the higher you will do on the weighted voting exams.

Your adventure would begin with a tutorial walk through. I would play this out as a black hole reaching critical, creating our universe, tetrahedrons, octaves and the synergistic order of everything, the formation and expansion of the galaxies, the creation of life up till the humanoid is laying in the sand, naked, helpless and ignorant. You would be guided through several tasks which would familiarize you with the environment and controls. It's through this series of newbie quests you learn the rules and guidelines for conduct. You learn to navigate the forums for current tests and issues to vote on and how to post and use the voice chat.

Get the world talking to each other in real time. We need a common meeting place so we can form some solidarity. This one way delivery of propaganda tainted information via Tell Lie Vision has the population cut off from each other and the democratic process. We the people have no voice. We have no way to put our ideas out there and we have no way to see other people's ideas. The people around the world, like the African nations, China, the Americas, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan need to be able to talk to each other and help each other in real time. You see how having no way to voice your frustrations leads to violence?

The hell with talking through the "Leaders" only. We all know that most of the "Leaders" of the world are corrupted and many of the "Democratic governments" they rule are rotten to the core. We need to start working on "Direct Democracy" from the ground up. We the people need to take control of our destiny and stop leaving our lives in the hands of wealthy corporate interests.

These are all terrible tragedies overseas. It's gotten to be like an information overload. Which crisis is more important? The general population of the world is distracted and divided. Think about the Compass and Square, Divide & Rule, keep divided, keep ruled. We have no place to go and form some solidarity against the tide of oppression. The media here in the west is not helping matters either with it's commercial bombardment. They focus on celebrities, the wealthy, and the powerful of the world like they are special and wouldn't you like to be special too. This preoccupation with the propaganda of fame, money and power promotes greed. It is telling people it's OK to behave like this, sometimes. You see Britney Spears getting headlines for being a bad mother and moron. Some tennis star coke slut Hingis or the steroid sucking baseball player Clemens whining about how unfair these drug charges are. Presidential candidates acting like pop stars and televangelists, corrupted by millions of dollars they beam their lies into American homes via the propaganda machine, TV. The real issues don't even get a mention on air.

They iconize sports teams like a religion. The players are idolized like Gods. Billions annually in money for salaries and the venues let alone the time and energy wasted on them by the fans. Yet again not a dime for the starving around the world. News of starving and genocide then the very next second millionaire sports stars and the weather they love to holiday in. You graduate from school into the Army, the ultimate sports team.

Countries all involved in spending money on international sports competitions like Junior Hockey, Equestrian events, and The Olympics but they spend less on foreign aid. We pursue decadent lifestyles while we ignore the poor. They are easy to ignore because they have no voice. While sports and physical exercise are good this insane preoccupation of competition with each other is globally divisive. It's one of the reasons we all have armies, we chose to have armies. Armies are promoted to us, Be Army Strong. China is spending billions of dollars on the Olympics while millions of it's citizens die from police brutality, starvation and toxic poisons. The common people are being displaced from their lands as the corrupt, greedy capitalists rape and pollute the land and it's people in the name of economic growth.

Our biggest drawback is education. Ignorance is nothing shameful but imposing ignorance is and willful ignorance is downright criminal. You need to learn that your population is your biggest natural resource. They are not simply mindless slaves. The combined intelligence of your population can ask, solve and answer any question. They would rally to each other's aid if they could communicate. You need to eventually provide every citizen a combination laptop world phone like a Blackberry with access to the internet as well as Radio and TV reception to educational pod casts and streaming video content like English and other Language lessons, Math lessons, History lessons, Carl Sagan's Cosmos, Richard Feynman's The pleasure of finding things out, BBC Planet Earth, etc. Add propaganda disclaimers, war is not inevitable. Produce Honest News, and educational content only. Perhaps Global, regional and local channels for both news and societal issues to check proposals, debates and votes as well as news updates on the hour.

We need educational TV not commercial brainwashing. Don't broadcast the crappy USA brainwashing, propaganda, time wasting TV that passes for entertainment.  Happy Honda days, bigger breasts, longer dicks, thicker hair, clearer skin, whiter teeth, shinier floors, faster foods, bigger portions, fosters fears and greed. No more marketing and advertising propaganda draining the wealth of nations. No TV delivering some fake lives into homes full of brainwashed people that get there friends at 7:30 Dr. Phil at 8:00 and Judge Judy at 9:00 Sitcoms and movies are a waste of your time and intelligence. A contrived life of some imaginary peoples on the societal babysitter, TV. There is nothing real about that. They have lost touch with the real world. They don't even see the real world anymore. They live entirely in a fantasy world. When people try to talk about the real world and current affairs they have no idea what's going on and just retreat farther from reality.

Quit isolating people with mindless brainwashing on the TV. More communication between the world's population will mean more questions, more problems and more answers and solutions. It fosters a global commitment to each other, brotherly love if you will. The more we communicate the more we learn and the more we respect each other's opinions. Bombard people's senses with truth and facts about everything instead of distracting them with gizmos and gadgets. Force people to go outside for entertainment. Force them to interact with other people for entertainment. Their knowledge and freedom will infect and sweep the world.

The important task is education for the entire population. Building more schools or renovating some old buildings. Training teachers for all positions plus staffing support. Media delivered education via the laptops. Standardized student aptitude tests to help counselors guide students down a path that will make them successful. Retesting every couple years to see if their interests are changing and may need to change their curriculum. The schools would be education and entertainment centers with all the arts students integrated. Love of self and others as a form of Birth control, family planning and a responsibility to the human race as well as the other life on the planet would be taught from birth. Not the gross commercialism which is taught from childhood via the TV and media of today.

We spend years teaching students information they will never use once they focus on a field of work and study. We need a standardized educational assessment system. Once a skill path is chosen your studies are tailored to train you to be successful in life. It would be more than adequate to name those specific areas of the arts or sciences which they were not previously assessed for rather than teach them formulae and concepts they will never use and may not even fully comprehend. Encourage natural curiosity and they will study it on their own time for self enrichment. If a student wishes to change their studies they would speak to a counselor with parental participation. If they are still determined then they are encouraged to excel in this new field. Nothing is denied.

Teach children from an early age that education is a responsibility not a right. It's an investment of time and energy by the teachers and they deserve the respect of the students. The teachers respect the students before they have even met them. An education system where students are in school for eight hours, teachers do 4 hour shifts as do the parents in their careers. This allows parental time off as well. Pre school, kindergarten at age three. No two month summer holidays. Two weeks every quarter. Have staggered holidays for both students and teachers so schools never close. This is open to debate and changes via the democratic government system.

For starters you need to continue going to school, and work as you do today. Focus on agriculture and housing. Provide easy access to computers to access the internet and Direct Democracy website. Equalize wages across the country. Everybody earns within the range of their knowledge. Find out what the poverty level wage is and add 5% then that's what everybody earns as a minimum for basic unskilled labor. Have four wage levels by adding 10% for each level to skilled labor, Management, Doctorate.

Use our current debit, credit card banking system with only minor changes. Money becomes non transferable credits we use to travel to resorts where people earn their own credits working in this service industry. They in turn can travel or buy specialty luxury items for themselves or as gifts.

Stop selling junk and just give away food, shelter, clothing and the basics to everyone. You still go to the store and shop for groceries. You "pay" with your debit, inventory is reordered and local usage is tracked and service industry employment is maintained. End corporate rule and put the ownership of everything in the hands of the people collectively. A monopoly is fine if the people own it and are happy with it.

A company can operate at a loss. It provides side benefits like employment and services to the community. Print money if you must, money will become a non issue eventually. This would need to carry on for a couple decades as changes take place but the world you leave for your children will be a healthy one compared to the one you live in now. As your country becomes free of the tyranny of our past you would encourage others to join you. Corporations turned into public trusts. Food and clothing being shipped to every corner of the globe. Offer open citizenship to anyone willing join your nation. Lead the world in saving lives and you will make a difference worthy of mention in history books.

Within the first few years the average work days and weeks could be shortened as you meet your needs for food, housing and comforts faster. Eventually you will have a stable, well coordinated, government representation that consists of mostly just resource management with no greater governing power than anyone else.  The population governs it's needs daily through the forums. Taxation goes to a minimum and volunteerism becomes the norm. No one able to hold office under the age of 20 local 25 regional 30 global. The technical support staff and emergency response teams and managers are not elected but hired from the population through a government website. No work until you graduate at age 20. Retire at 40. The first 40 years are split between education and a career. Feel free to work as long as you wish at any trade you choose.

The video on demand, website and forums would be a hierarchal tree:

You login and check local, regional, global and other cued issues. Educational 1 month, local is 3 months, regional 6 months and global a 9 month period for each stage. To advance a stage you need 51% of the posted comments support. Proposed items sit in a cue and take criticism or praise plus an acceptance vote for a period. Once a proposal is accepted it can move to debate. and secondary voting process. The debate period is determined by the issues impact as well. The final phase is the voting. To carry a law you need 51% of the eligible voters turnout and consent. If you fail to gain approval at any point the proposal is simply withdrawn. You may rewrite it to repair the parts people didn't like and then resubmit it after a 1, 3, 6, or 9 month waiting period. The waiting period is for the individual and not the the law, a time to cool down and think about things.

If a law or resolution is passed it goes up to global management for resource allocation and enactment. All steps in the process are tracked via the forums. The traffic for many years from the start will be fast and furious but with time the issues will all be solved but for the occasional new problem or innovation. Nothing sneaky. The more people work together the more problems get pointed out and fixed. Eventually society becomes more open and less restrictive. With the elimination of personal wealth and power and dynasties the driving force is to work together. Tax the bad products and practices into non existence. Allow people to rewrite the laws that restrict them and they will soar.

Pages for local issues. News, Birthdays and announcements. Companionship and dating. Hospital and clinic issues, housing, food and clothing distribution. Road repairs, local municipal infrastructures, public transportation, area specifics such as farming or manufacturing etc, depending upon what is in your area. Local meetings, gatherings, education, school events and dances. Public performances and speakers. Example, we need more snowplows and operators for the coming winter. This means more employees, housing, food and services plus the equipment and facilities. Agree that we need this or not? Or, we want some restaurants for our lunch crowd at the clothing plant. Yes or no?

Pages for regional issues. Railway services, seaports, airports, parks, forestry, highways, hydro installations. An example, we need a high speed rail link between two cities. We can use the same population center to service two manufacturing centers, a kind of job sharing. Can we get management to take care of this yes or no?

Pages for Global issues. Global healthcare, emerging technologies. A new research facility is needed to study some new discovery. Materials needed globally such as building materials or food. Maybe tools and farm equipment for an area or a space port in the future. Possibly moving of people from one area to another. More teachers needed in a rural area for example. Other examples would be a drought in an area, move the people out to a place with housing and available work or schooling.

Pages for human resources needs. Pages for Government positions, Places for disgruntled workers to post reassignment or resignation notices. Vacant positions open by area. Housing availability pages. Every business, job and vacant suite on the planet listed by area and trade. Managers for population and resource management. These positions would be voluntary and promotions from within would be common. Management would be like a hierarchal position but with a loose central office. You work from your home area as do your mid level managers. Essentially you can work from home. This would be like the remnants of our existing government structures to start. Whether on global, regional or local levels this job is all about keeping current on education, manufacturing, shipping and receiving of essential goods and services such as healthy foods, drugs, clothing and health care. Also social amenities such as laptops, cell phones and electric cars and cycles and amusement areas. The stores are stocked with goods but no tellers. Self serve, scanned as you place it in the cart and reordered as needed. Housing managers, apartment managers tracking vacancies. Hospital administrators. School administrators. Every position you can think of can be added to the tree. The technical support staff. Computer network and software technicians tasked with keeping current and secure. Emergency response teams. Start over staffing large agricultural productions as well as clothing manufacture until everyone is equipped.

Pages for emergency situations. Floods, earthquakes, natural disasters and extreme weather. We need more volunteers send help. Sign up here. Transportation arrangements via XYZ train station at posted times: Bring a bag lunch. People needed in one area to help with agriculture or another to build housing. Maybe a manufacturing facility is short of workers. Move agricultural equipment and food in and take people out to be relocated to more food rich areas. You have enough food if everyone switches off the animal centric diets and processed fast foods. Green smoothies blended from a banana, a cup of water and a couple leafs of Kale. B12 is the only supplement needed on occasion. So many choices yet everyone wants to eat at the smorgasbord. We need to get people working on what a healthy human diet really is.

The military would, over time, destroy all weapons and become the emergency response teams going in on disaster relief or population feeding and relocation. If there were no weapons there would be no killing. It's really that simple. Fist fights, the odd stabbing or beating would be about it. By continuing to manufacture weapons you are saying here is a brand new weapon now go forth and kill people. If you made books people would read. If you made food people would eat. If you made cell phones people would communicate. We would have a few standing response teams around the area. During down times they work on global projects like hydro weirs, wind turbines, research facilities, agriculture projects and global transportation systems like a rail link.

No land ownership so if you want to just go live off the land that's your choice. If you currently own land you can stay on it until you die but then it returns to the wild. Houses and estates abandoned outside transportation and supply areas would be sought by isolationists. Small hobby farms and small businesses would be around and that's great. No destroying the environment at all though, no slash burning, tree falling or hunting listed local endangered species. That is true freedom to do what you want or to pitch in for the good of all and reach for the stars.

Stop alcohol and tobacco production. It's not illegal but if you want some make it yourself. Get a wine kit or a beer kit and tobacco seeds from the store or make your own rot gut still and go blind. Same for weed, you want it then just grow it. Supply seeds at the local pharmacy which would be located in the local hospital or clinic. No more illegal drug industry. Sure moon shiners could run a still but why? Anything he could trade the majority of people for is the same stuff he can get himself for free. There would be other local artisans but they would be limited to nearby locals.

With the decline of money for a global credits system the greed would decline and the need for police would eventually disappear. As everyone realized everyone else was the same as them and had nothing worth stealing envy would decline. There would still be some lonely people who feel isolated and lash out at others for sexual gratification or attention of some kind. Education and encouragement to get them involved is the best form of prevention. Bring people together and start sharing ideas and dreams instead of crushing them.

As well we would see more standardization in items like computers, software, the cell phone network, education, the English language as primary and others secondary. Healthy foods as opposed to unhealthy comfort foods. Universal standards would mean ease of parts and repairs and training standards for maintenance personnel. It doesn't mean we would have one crappy product thrust upon us. We would have the best product available. People would demand it via the forums. It would be a law. R&D would be ongoing with the thirst for knowledge.

The responsibility would be from the local level on up. You may live in an area that produces for global distribution or merely local residents feeding yourselves for the most part. If you need a person to do something go kick somebody's ass and get it done. If you are short a skilled trade then have the local rep send a petition to human resources and get the job posted on the webpage. If you ask, someone will help.

I'm no communist and this is not an anarchist, Marxist, society I'm thinking of. It's a Direct Democracy and it's a sane society. People sharing new ideas as they get them which encourages investigations which brings even more new ideas and questions and innovations. With everything out in the open in the forums nothing can be snuck into law that would harm anyone. There would be immediate help on the big issues such as housing, starvation, war and global pollution. It's important and people would be dealing with it everyday until it was gone. Starving? Go to the airport and get on a plane to here, we have lots of food and housing.

Initial growing pains would be inevitable but preferable to these endless wars we wage. It would be a learning experience for many but with the guidance of the already educated progress would come fast. With the combined wisdom and ideas of the entire population working together in honest cooperation you can conquer any problem. I'm certain greed and the love of money would remain in some forms to facilitate the barter system but we can leave it localized plus keep it to a minimum and not allow foreign banks to put us in debt to each other ever again. Maybe some form of global credits earned over the course of a career that grants unlimited access to global travel. Try to keep the existing population centers that we have now and migrate people closer to them, high density housing. If all the important needs are met like healthy food, basic clothing, incidental toiletries, shelters of all kinds from trailers, apartments and houses, hydro, healthcare, a laptop communication device for education and entertainment. Then stuff like jewelers and tattoo artists would be at a minimum anyways. Every person that needed an electric car could just go get one from a supply center. Return it when done or report it for service. Just get a new one as needed.

Hey, it's a start. Utopia? Maybe not but at least I'm trying to think of an alternative to the endless cycle of war and poverty. Business as usual for the last 100 years sucks. Now realize this has really been going on for at least 5,000 years.

At least put this out there and get people thinking about it. If you have questions, and I'm hopeful that you do, then contact someone that is not trapped in the linguistic constructs of the state approved dogma like warmongers and party hacks all are. Remember inside every beLIEf is a big fat lie and dogma is the same as saying I am god.

http://members.shaw.ca/davefparker/
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Cheers. Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Stansfield [pure_democracy(at)yahoo.com]
Sent: July 31, 2009 5:16 PM
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Why I support World Government?

I can not speak for others, but I have experienced this same problem myself as mentioned:


"I don't usually respond to the correspondence I get from
    WDDM. Most of the time I find that its members cannot break
    away from the mindset of "vigorous" debate, which is
    perceived to be such an important feature of any democratic
    system. It goes around in circles."

The Direct Democracy movement knows very well what the problems of our Republican form of government are, but the problem is that the solutions given on how to actually achieve Direct Democracy tend to splinter the group.  Often times to question someones concept on direct democracy or how they would achieve it on rational terms is discouraged, because the view from the group is that we want to retain as much support as we can and concrete methods to achieve those goals tend to divide us.  Case in point.  The Direct Democracy Initiative process as spelled out through the Constitutional Amendment they are proposing to allow the public to submit proposals to the national government is run by a committee of the people who are sponsoring the amendment so once again the ideas that move forward are in some ways determined by the committee members, rather than by the general public and no consideration is given to states or local rights which divides the direct democracy movement between these who favor greater local control (as I do) verses those who favor more national laws.  Also speaking to religious folks who want to put a proposal down to say allow prayer is school or allow for the Bible in the class room, the other side feels that these types of proposals shouldn't even be allowed on the ballot because they violate the first amendment.  The problem is that now these same religious folks feel like what good is democracy if my ideas can't even be placed on the ballot.  These are just a small fraction of the, like myself, could work to develop a Direct Democracy constitution.  No limits.  Lets see how far the concept can go.  But it doesn't get much attention, because each person is going in their own direct democracy direction where the direction seems to mimic their own political philosophy: Conservation Direct Democracy, Liberal Direct Democracy, etc. If we truly had a concrete plan I have the forms we could print it out and start the signature gathering to put an initiative on the ballot in each state to Amend the constitution, of course not all states allow public initiatives, but at least it is a start.  We don't even have to go that far, why not put out one initiative in one state to amend the state constitution to create a direct democracy in that state and kick out the state legislature.  This is what a concrete practical idea would give us provided the average American agrees with the concrete solution given.  The authority has always been in our hands, but it is easier to complain than it is to think and research and problem solve and we each have busy lives.  Due to this the cause remains a cause waiting for the blue print and actual constructive progress.  PS if your hoping congress will actually take away some of their power to give it to the people you might have better odds playing the lottery.

Sincerely,

Michael Stansfield
Author: Learning How to Fly - Jefferson's challenge for the Dawn of Direct Democracy


From: Fred Gohlke <fredgohlke(at)verizon.net>
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 9:24:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Why I support World Government?

Good Morning, Lata

Regarding your message of Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:24:51 +0000 (GMT)

re: "'You say that we don't need a government but instead just
    need to solve problems "such as how to feed the community,
    how to provide adequate water...' etc.  Well, that's
    government ..."

Well said!!!

The balance of your argument is equally irrefutable.  I chose this brief excerpt simply as an example.


re: "... we have a problem with being 'represented' by somebody
    who does not know us, does not care, somebody who has their
    own agenda and career to worry about and a society which
    does not think we are smart enough or responsible enough to
    grasp the skills of government."

Well said!!!

And, again, merely a brief excerpt from an excellent observation.


This is the crux of the matter.  While I realize you said (on May 14th) ...

  "I don't usually respond to the correspondence I get from
    WDDM. Most of the time I find that its members cannot break
    away from the mindset of "vigorous" debate, which is
    perceived to be such an important feature of any democratic
    system. It goes around in circles." ...

I wonder if you would be willing to discuss the specific problem you identified here?

I read and understand the game you proposed (on May 14th), but:

1) at the moment it does not (so far as I know) exist,

2) participation would be limited to those with the equipment and
  ability to play the game (which is not universal), and

3) it is at least one level removed from human interaction.

The little bit of your material I've been privileged to read tells me you are uncommonly thoughtful.  Could we exchange some ideas on representative government, either privately or in this forum?

Fred Gohlke
fredgohlke(at)verizon.net


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