Re: [WDDM] Strategy

[Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it>]

Fred Gohlke ha scritto:
> Good Morning, Antonio
>
> I believe you are distinguishing between our natural tendency to
> pursue our own interest and the forces that cause us to pursue our own
> interest; indeed, the forces that cause us to form our opinion about
> what constitutes our own interest.
> I take it you are saying we must uncover the forces that cause us to
> define and pursue our own interest and find a way
> to combat them.

Good Night, Fred

Yes, I am on that track.

Consider one's pursuing one's own interest according with the requirements
 - to wit, the physical laws - of the natural environment one lives in.

Consider one's pursuing one's own interest according with the requirements
 - to wit, the authority's consent - of the social environment one lives in.
Consider that there is conflict between the social and the natural
requirements
of the complex environment one lives in.  For instance, a complex
environment
where the social authority requires consumerism, or else war, and the
physical
laws require respectfulness for natural resources and peace.

My opinion is, more criticism to the authority's requirements coul be
the case.
Now the problem becomes, how to decrease one's own dependence on the
authority's consent.  This decrease goes along with one's own interest


> I had not previously considered that perspective.  Clearly, I can not
> refute the notion
> that whatever causes us to pursue our own interest is more fundamental
> than the pursuit,
> itself.  However, at first blush, it seems to me those forces might be
> primal, and, as such,
> beyond our means to control.

"Primal" does not mean "beyond our means to control", IMHO

> It is my opinion that the pursuit of self-interest is not far removed
> from the
> need for self-preservation, and self-preservation is instinctual.
I totally agree.  Now, let's account the policies one may implement for
self-preservation.  Maybe we obey  the requirements coming from the
natural environment.  Maybe we obey the authority's requirements for
consent.  Here, the necessary self-control wants us to perform some
"questioning the authority" training and conscious attitude.


> Since I have not considered this perspective, I have no idea how we
> could go about
> harnessing such elementary forces.  Do you have a suggestion I could
> consider?
Try at
http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/common/Antonio.Lucknow.ppt
and also at:
http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/rossin10.htm
or else at;
www.flexible-learning.org
> > > Harnessing the pursuit of self-interest will be a painstaking
> > > task.
> >
> > I think this goal would be a counter natural one, not to say
> > suicidal.
>
> I hope you will keep an open mind on this topic.  Devising an
> electoral method that
> makes it beneficial and wise for a person seeking political
> advancement to maintain
> their integrity, though difficult, may not be impossible.  Refusing to
> consider the
> possibility will, of course, preclude it.
Ok., try at www.simpol.org
> Fred Gohlke
>
> [Based on our preceding exchange of messages (I received your message
> twice), it appears all we have to do is address our messages to the
> WDDM site, and it takes care of distributing them.  Neat ... but I
> wish they were also displayed on-line on the WEEM site where they
> could be considered by members, in toto.  flg]

Sounds nice.

Cheers,
antonio, going to sleep
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