| From: | Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it> |
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| Date: | Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:01:41 +0200 |
| Subject: | Re: [WDDM] Re :[WDDM] What is the AIM of WDDM? |
Dear Mr.Padmanabhan,
to set up the platform you propose is surely useful, but it can only
become yet another discussion channel without any real impact on
concrete political systems. A transformation into true democracy must
be enforced in communes, villages, towns, regions and states by local
people. There is no other way.
Sincerely, Jiri Polak
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan
<vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com>
*To:* wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:53 PM
*Subject:* [WDDM] Re :[WDDM] What is the AIM of WDDM?
Mr. Jiri Polak,
You have said that - "....it is extremely difficult for DD
organisations to compete with established parties which have
created all sorts of obstacles to prevent competition."
Setting up a True Democracy Platform (web-based to start with)
would bypass the political parties and present an alternative
method for the people to put up candidates for elections in an
organized way.
In effect it would be splicing open the party-oriented election
system and getting into the parliament using the existing
electoral procedures. Kindly go through the forum discussion on
'True Democracy web platform", if you haven't done fully:
http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/forum/read.php?23,641,641#msg-641
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There should be no legal difficulty either, since it would only be
a association of people promoting a particular idea. It would be
non-violent and perfectly constitutional.
The only difficulty could be the cost to set up the global
website. If many people are convinced, then raising resource for
it should be possible.
I feel that there are a large number of people who would like the
system to be freed from the clutches of political parties,
presently considered as a necessary evil for electoral purpose.
Sincerely,
Vijayaraghavan P
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:39:06 0200 wddm@world-wide-democracy.net wrote
Dear Mr.Padmanabha,
both strategies (extraparliamentary pressure and
efforts to reach parliament using existing procedures) can and
should be used at
the same time. But it is extremely difficult for DD organisations
to compete
with established parties which have created all sorts of obstacles
to prevent
competition. The current systems are illegal and criminal because
they have been
put in place without any mandate from the citizens. Therefore it
is legitimate
to fight against them by any means except to physically hurt
people. Should we
rely on parliamentary procedures only, we could wait hundred
years. Besides, to
only participate in elections means legitimizing the existing
oligarchic
systems. If "all power comes from the people" as the myth says,
then the people
is free to do anything to change the system. The only problem is to
mobilize "ordinary people" and make them stop behaving like sheep.
Sincerely,
Jiri Polak
----- Original Message -----
From:
Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:31
PM
Subject: [WDDM] Re :[WDDM] What is the
AIM of WDDM?
Mr. Jiri Polak,You have mentioned in your reply while
describing the actions needed to enforce a referendum - "Try to
put a DD
person into Parliament...". This, I feel, should be the central aim.
If a strategy is devised to achieve this then all other things
like - attracting the man on the street and enforcing a referendum
for making amends to the constitution become easier. If this core
strategy is not there then it is difficult to convince people
about the
practicability of other actions.This is why I feel that a 'True
Democracy web platform' should first be set up that will lead on
to putting DD
persons into the parliament by directly competing with political
parties
during elections.Vijayaraghavan POn Mon, 27 Apr
2009 16:54:34 0200 wddm@world-wide-democracy.net wroteHello,there
are many good ideas on the Forum, but how to realize them? In Czech
Republic, in theory, we have a clear strategy: The basic principle
is that
it is the people, not party politicians, who alone are entitled to
write
and adopt a Constitution establishing a political system. If you
let party
politicians to do that - as the case has been everywhere - they
will put
in place a Constitution giving all power to political parties. We
- a few
independent citizens - have proposed and published a Citizens´
Constitution
by amending the existing one which we consider as only
provisional. The
next step should be to enforce a referendum on this proposal. If
successful, the referendum would put in place a new Constitution
and a new
political system. Such a system would probably contain many elements
proposed in the WWDN Forum. How to enforce a referendum? Seek
publicity by
any non violent means; organize demonstrations, e.g. marches on the
Parliament like they do in Poland; a symbolic defenestration and
the like.
Try to put a DD person into Parliament, get the support of some
widely
known persons etc. The feasibilyty of such a strategy will obviously
depend on the degree of "shakeability" of the man-in-the-street.
Maybe
people will remain passive and apathetic. In such a situation, we
can only
hope for a global catastrophy. George Sagi has written a visionary
book
called "Only from the Ruins". Maybe this will be the only way. But
let´s
try to attempt something less drastical first!Jiri Polak-----
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