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From: "Jiri Polak" <jiri.polak(at)swipnet.se>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:01:48 +0200
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Re :[WDDM] What is the AIM of WDDM?

Dear Mr.Padmanabhan,
to set up the platform you propose is surely useful, but it can only become yet another discussion channel without any real impact on concrete political systems. A transformation into true democracy must be enforced in communes, villages, towns, regions and states by local people.  There is no other way.
Sincerely,               Jiri Polak
----- Original Message -----
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:53 PM
Subject: [WDDM] Re :[WDDM] What is the AIM of WDDM?

Mr. Jiri Polak,
You have said that - "....it is extremely difficult for DD organisations to compete with established parties which have created all sorts of obstacles to prevent competition."

Setting up a True Democracy Platform (web-based to start with) would bypass the political parties and present an alternative method for the people to put up candidates for elections in an organized way.

In effect it would be splicing open the party-oriented election system and getting into the parliament using the existing electoral procedures. Kindly go through the forum discussion on 'True Democracy web platform", if you haven't done fully: http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/forum/read.php?23,641,641#msg-641

There should be no legal difficulty either, since it would only be a association of people promoting a particular idea. It would be non-violent and perfectly constitutional.

The only difficulty could be the cost to set up the global website. If many people are convinced, then raising resource for it should be possible.

I feel that there are a large number of people who would like the system to be freed from the clutches of political parties, presently considered as a necessary evil for electoral purpose.

Sincerely,

Vijayaraghavan P



On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:39:06 0200 wddm@world-wide-democracy.net wrote


Dear Mr.Padmanabha,
both strategies (extraparliamentary pressure and
efforts to reach parliament using existing procedures) can and should be used at
the same time. But it is extremely difficult for DD organisations to compete
with established parties which have created all sorts of obstacles to prevent
competition. The current systems are illegal and criminal because they have been
put in place without any mandate from the citizens. Therefore it is legitimate
to fight against them by any means except to physically hurt people. Should we
rely on parliamentary procedures only, we could wait hundred years. Besides, to
only participate in elections means legitimizing the existing oligarchic
systems. If "all power comes from the people" as the myth says, then the people
is free to do anything to change the system.  The only problem is to
mobilize "ordinary people" and make them stop behaving like sheep.
Sincerely,
Jiri Polak

----- Original Message -----
From:
Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan

To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:31
PM
Subject: [WDDM] Re :[WDDM] What is the
AIM of WDDM?
Mr. Jiri Polak,You have mentioned in your reply while
describing the actions needed to enforce a referendum - "Try to put a DD
person into Parliament...". This, I feel, should be the central aim.
If a strategy is devised to achieve this then all other things
like - attracting the man on the street and enforcing a referendum
for making amends to the constitution become easier. If this core
strategy is not there then it is difficult to convince people about the
practicability of other actions.This is why I feel that a 'True
Democracy web platform' should first be set up that will lead on to putting DD
persons into the parliament by directly competing with political parties
during elections.Vijayaraghavan POn Mon, 27 Apr
2009 16:54:34 0200 wddm@world-wide-democracy.net wroteHello,there
are many good ideas on the Forum, but how to realize them? In Czech
Republic, in theory, we have a clear strategy: The basic principle is that
it is the people, not party politicians, who alone are entitled to write
and adopt a Constitution establishing a political system. If you let party
politicians to do that - as the case has been everywhere - they will put
in place a . . . . . .
.
.
.

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