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01915: Re:[WDDM] Non direct-democracy items

From: "Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan" <vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com>
Date: 7 Sep 2008 15:31:16 -0000
Subject: Re:[WDDM] Non direct-democracy items

Dear Jim,
I understand the value of IB&R and how it can keep a check on the elected representatives. However we have to consider the more basic question of how these representatives come to be elected in the first place. We need to have an organized and credible alternative system to political parties for choosing the candidate for elections. Till then the reign of political parties will continue. 

Even in the Swiss system (assuming that the politicians there are more people-friendly than anywhere else in the world) an alternative to political parties, if available, would only further improve the performance of the political parties on a competitive basis.

PVR

 
On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 12:41:03 +0200 wddm@world-wide-democracy.net wrote
Hi PVR,
In response to your email:
1.      
I have no problem with a professional politician. Many of them
work very hard to serve their communities. Most of the legislation passed in
Switzerland is by politicians. They provide an essential service. Change the
system to DD and you will attract the right people.

2.      
The voters must realise that their vote is wasted if they are merely
voting for those who they think will win. Convince the voters that they are
employers of the politicians. Ask the voter if they would employ anyone that they
have no control over.

3.      
Those who are pushing DD should select the candidate. The
candidate signs a contract that they will accept the nomination, support and
finance by following specific DD and recall principles. If they fail to, there
are specific penalties.

4.      
With DD and recall the candidate is less important as they can
be removed and any legislation can be changed by the sovereign status of the voter.

Regards

Jim Powell


From: Vijayaraghavan
Padmanabhan [vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com]

Sent: 07 Sep 2008 10:16 AM

To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net

Subject: [WDDM] Re:[WDDM] Non direct-democracy items


Dear Federico Tonini,

I agree with your following observation - "We believe the only way to deal
with professional politicians is to take votes away from them, and we believe
this must start from the bottom and move upwards".

How exactly can we convince the voters to vote for the candidate selected
by the local assembly for DD? The average voter would feel that his
vote will be wasted if it is cast for an unknown and unproven entity.

Even if the local assembly decides to go ahead and put up its candidate, how
exactly is it going to select the candidate? There should be a sound and
universally acceptable criterion and it should have enough credibility to
convince the voter to vote for.

I think an effective way of doing this is to adopt the 'Troika system' or
the 'Triplet system' discussed on the WDDM Forum (under Proposals
section). This is a crucial starting point, as everything else in
democracy depends on the quality of the elected representative and the
credibility of the system that elects him. 

I suggest that the movements in Italy and Greece consider making this
system the cornerstone of their efforts.

Regards,

Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan

(PVR) (thoughVRP or VP sounds better) 




On Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:32:26 +0200 wddm@world-wide-democracy.net wrote

Dear PVR

(excuse me but I do not understand your name very well).

I think you have got to the point, if you had a chance to read my messages to
Jiri Polak and the latest mail from George Kokkas, you can see that this is
exactly what we are trying to do : we would like to make the newsletter
directed from Dr. Polak a kind of safe securing the ideas of DD.

As far as useless discussions, I believe they get us nowhere.

We have started in Italy a Movement called Democrazia Federale and we want to
compete political parties in elections.

The same Dr. Kokkas is making in Greece

We believe the only way to deal with professional politicians is to take votes
away from them, and we believe this must start from the bottom and move
upwards.

I shall meet Dr. Kokkas in Aarau at the next DD Congress and we shall try to
work out an alliance between our Movements into one only European Party.

Any other European group is, of course, welcome.

Come back for more news.

Federico Tonini



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