George Kokkas's Law Office ha scritto:
Dear Antonio,
I absolutely agree with you
that at first we have to put or help
people put the questions and demands!
Dear George
are you sure, that you agree with me?
My opinion is, we must NOT help people to put our suggested
questions and demands! We must only give the people the place
where they can make-up and express their own questions-demands
by themselves.
That's the reason we decided in
Greece to begin an Initiative in
September between NGOs and active Citizens called "SOCIAL DEFENSE",
that will ask the decision makers to
do concrete things, having always our
social monitoring and control, in a bottom up and direct democratic
direction!
It looks like you wanted them to export their "direct democracy
direction"
onto the subjected people. My point is another. I'm working to get the
people less and less subjected to the "decision makers", by means of
basic
education
Unfortunately I can't find your
ideas in the site you give me! Can you guide
me how will I find the
"common/Anonio etc." page inside he WDDM site or
elsewhere!
I checked out the link just now: it works fine. Please notice it is a
Power-point
presentation, really a heavy document. I can't attach it to a post
like this, mostly
from my low-speed E-connection.
Will you support the "DEMOCRAZIA
FEDERALE" Movement?
Of course. Let them ask me for co-operation, and I'll do my best.
What are your comments for their
site that I can not understand in Italian
language?
At a first sight, it looks nice. I but need of some direct
confrontation,
in order to be able to understand well what they want to do.
Ciao, antonio
With
kind regards!
George
L. Kokkas
Media
Lawyer
Coordinator
of NGO "Forum for Citizens' Democracy" and
"European
Sympoliteia (with) Direct Democracy"
42,
Hippocrates str., ATHENS 10680- GREECE
Tel.
0030 6944 545 888
Fax:
0030 210 3610882
e-mail:geoko(at)otenet.gr
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:30 AM
Subject:
[cicdd] Re: Direct Democracy (Antonio's reminder)
Dear George,
I'm pleased with reading of you! and of F. Tonini as well.
I'm not equally pleased to see that the biggest problem of
Democracy has not been put still into the light it needs of.
It seems to me, if the success of real Democracy --at any
of its many social levels, starting from the family-- had to
be made with both the "Democracy answers" by DD top
thinkers&activists and the "Democracy demands" by the
bottom people matching together, then all the stuff passing
through is dealing with the "Democracy answers" side of
the coin exclusively. How long, still?
That is, we DD thinkers&activists still keep on improving
Democracy answers, namely DD proposals, constitutional
charts, I&R too -- all of which there is no people's demand
for, still. This way, in the absence of a sound Democracy
demand made by the People from grassroots bottom-up, no
Democracy success can be reasonably expected. I guess,
how could any answer be effective, in the absence of the
related demand? Logics forbids.
Have my best wishes to improve your "D. answers", also at
Bruno's next Aaru Conference. If you were also interested
in how to increase the people's Democracy demand from
bottom-up, try a look at:
http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/common/Antonio.Lucknow.ptt
Kind regards,
antonio
George Kokkas's Law Office wrote:
Dear mr. Tonini
I am happy to get
acquainted with you and your Movement of Direct Democracy in Italy!
We have cooperated in the past with excellent colleagues and thinkers
of DD, there as Giuseppe Strano, Antonio Rossin etc.
I think that your site is
helpful for your objectives, although I have difficulties in
understanding its content in Italics.
In Greece the DD movement
is expressed by the NGO "Forum for Citizens' Democracy" and by the
political party called:
"European Sympoliteia (with)
Direct Democracy", that tries to introduce in Greece Direct Democratic
institutions through European Legislation.
I copy for you my proposal
to Bruno Kaufman and the organisers if the Aaru Conference and I
would like to support our request for a further meeting of us after
this Conference.
I think THAT we can
organise it with Demokrazia Federale and other colleagues and allies
IN THE SAME PLACE, also independently from the main organisers,
with the basic topic:
"What shall the DD
Movement do in the coming European Parliament elections of June 2009?"
"Dear
Bruno,
we are really interested in participating in the Aaru Conference in Switzerland, not
only for the 5 minutes report about our ideas and tactics in Greece
and Europe (Wednesday), but also in the next days, we could offer
in the public debate (Thursday) and for the Balkan issues (on
Friday). Please inform me for the contacts I should have for the
rest.
I think that it would be good to have ALSO, a separate panel and
discussion about the CICDD (Continuing International Congress on
Direct Democracy) that celebrates this year its 10th anniversary
since the 1st International Conference in Prague, Pribram (1998), as
well as WDDM (www.world-wide-democray.net) that continues
offering its services to direct democracy worldwide, though its
site and diferent practices among its members. I wonder why haven't
you thought about it, when progamming the whole week of Democracy?
Believe me that it will have a big interest for all the
participants to have the opportunity to hear the _expression_ of our
experiences at the end of the already scheduled programme on
Saturday aftennoon and evening Oct
4th or maybe Sunday morning, Oct 5th.
I am in close contact with Ted Becker (who is probably annoyed, that
he has no response or invitation from you or others), Jiri Polak (who
is doing an excellent job for ten years publishing the DD
Newsletter), Mirek Kolar (who organised the excellent WDDM site),
Bruce Eggum, George Sagi etc. and I think that their contribution
could be magnificent for this week of Democracy, as we will enlarge
the programme, the interest and the opportunities of the participats
to almost a full week!
Bruno, I would like to be this year more active, as a legal
scientist in the IRI works (congratulations for them all) and I wish
you to introduce and help me do it, beginning with the acceptance of
my proposal above (to take
part more actively by the end of the Aaru Conference in Switzerland, as
we have made in Munich 2000, after the NDDIE Conference )!
I would like also to cooperate
further in the near future for a WDDM Conference that has its 10th years anniversary after
2 years (2010), when we will propose to have in Greece another
International Congress on Direct Democracy (maybe under the auspieces
of IRI, if you mind).
Please write me soon with whom else I have to be in contact for the
above and confirm whatever is already possible for us in order to
begin organising it! "
WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THIS
PROPOSAL mr. Tonini? Can Democratia Federale assist in organising
this following the main conference, as you are near Aaru?
With
kind regards!
George
L. Kokkas
Media
Lawyer
Coordinator
of NGO "Forum for Citizens' Democracy" and
"European
Sympoliteia (with) Direct Democracy"
42,
Hippocrates str., ATHENS 10680- GREECE
Tel.
0030 6944 545 888
Fax:
0030 210 3610882
e-mail:geoko(at)otenet.gr
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:49 PM
Subject:
Direct Democracy
Dear Mr Kokkas,
following to our phone
conversation here are my addresses
mobile : +39.335.690.4163
We are operative in the north
of Italy, near Milan, and have started a movement to change the
political system in Italy from representative democracy to direct
democracy.
At this time we are interested
in making contacts with other groups and movements with similar target
all over Europe, and this is why I shall attend the Congress in Aarau.
Please kindly explain whether
in Greece there are organized groups making active poltical action in
this direction, and other information as you deem interesting for us.
kind regards
Democrazia Federale
Federico Tonini
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