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01851: Re: [WDDM] Re :[WDDM] Phoenix Project

From: "Annette and Martin" <ajackson123(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 06:09:45 +0930
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Re :[WDDM] Phoenix Project


I also that MyVerdict site should continue.

I have been doing a lot of research, and the single most important thing that could be taken from the global elite, is for all countries to take up control of their Central/Reserve Banks.

Below it you go through quotes below from the Money Master tapes on the web it leaves you in not doubt,

The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That board administers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group. The system is private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatest possible profits from the use of other people’s money. -Rep. Charles A. Lindberg

We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. The evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our Government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it Rep. Louis T McFadden

Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international moneylenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of the United States. Sen. Barry Goldwater

I sincerely believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs. Thomas Jefferson

History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance. James Madison

Control of Americans money system has changed 8 times in America’s history.

Issuing of money in America was done by Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson , Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren and Abraham Lincoln .

That is simple. In the colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry to make the producers pass easily from the producers to the consumers. In this manner, creating for ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one. Benjamin Franklin.

If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and the corporations which up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. Thomas Jefferson

The rich will strive to establish their dominion and enslave the rest. They always did. They always will. They will have the same effect here as elsewhere, I we do not, by the power of government, keep them in their proper spheres. Governor Morris.

I wish it were possible to obtain a single amendment to our Constitution taking from the Federal Government their power of borrowing. Thomas Jefferson.

The hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency: their sole object is gain. Napoleon Bonaparte.

It is not our own citizens only who are to receive the bounty of our Government. More than eight millions of the stock of this bank are held by foreigners. Is there no danger to our liberty and independence in a bank that in its nature has so little to bind it to our country? Controlling our currency, receiving our public moneys, and holding thousands of our citizens in dependence, would be more formidable and dangerous than a military power of the enemy. If government would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favour alike on the high and the low, the rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing. In the Act before me there seems in be a wide unnecessary departure from these just principles. Andrew Jackson.

The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial power of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if they remained as one block, and as one nation, would attain economic and financial domination over the world. Otto Von Bismarck.

Lincoln went to the European Bankers to loan money for the war, they said it would cost between 20 to 30%, he turn them down.

(Lincoln asked Colonel Dick Taylor where he could get the money from) - Why, Lincoln, that is easy; just get Congress to pass a Bill authorizing the printing of full legal tender treasury notes, and pay your soldiers with them and go ahead and win your war with them also. Colonel Dick Taylor .

(Lincoln asked Colonel Dick Taylor , will people except them) - The people or anyone else will not have any choice in the matter, if you make them full legal tender. They will have the sanction of the government and be just as good as any money; as Congress is given that express right by the Constitution. Colonel Dick Taylor .

Lincoln printed 450 million dollars at not interest to the government.

The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government’s greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. Money will cease to be master and become the servant of humanity. Abraham Lincoln.

If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become indurated down to a fixture, than that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. If will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe. Times of London.

The Tsar of Russia as refused to let the banker set up a central ban in Russia.

The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace and conspires against it in times adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. Abraham Lincoln.

My agency in promoting the passage of the National Banking Act was the greatest financial mistake in my life. It has built a monopoly which affects every interest in the country. Salmon P Chase.

The death of Lincoln was a disaster for Christendom. There was no man in the United States great enough to wear his boots. I fear that foreign bankers with their craftiness and tortuous tricks will entirely control the exuberant riches of America, and use it systematically to corrupt modern civilization. They will not hesitate to plunge the whole of Christendom into was chaos in order that the earth should become their inheritance. Otto Von Bismarck

Regards Martin Jackson.


----- Original Message -----
To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Re :[WDDM] Phoenix Project

I agree, I would like to see the MyVerdict site continued. The system of every zip code having a space is a uniting factor.

Bruce

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan <vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com> wrote:
Dear Roy Daine and All,
It is a matter of regret that you chose to close down the Great Direct Democracy Experiment on MyVerdict site, which provided for people across the world to choose their own representatives through the troika method. There may be good reasons for this but I appeal to you to save the all the hard work done by you. I appeal to the WDDM members to make use of the work of Roy Daine, if not yet lost, and relaunch the experiment on its own site.

Mirek, I do not know what else is required to move in this direction. However, integrative thinking and a deep motivation to reduce the level of pain suffered in the world are of crucial importance.

PVR



On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 11:30:26 -0400 wddm@world-wide-democracy.net wrote

Dear all, I am writing from Equador from this Phoenix Gathering:http://www.wakingthephoenix.org/2008/03/roster-of-participants.html
(organized by Richard Moore). A lot a new interesting information here!
A preview: Among others: Equador seems to be at the fore-front of
building participative democracy from the grass-root level. They have a
constitutional assembly preparing new participative constitution. It was
reported that a variation of the troika system proposed by Fred
(http://www.world-wide-democracy.net/forum/read.php?23,541,549#msg-549) has
actually been implemented in Cuba for some time and is working well. Instead of
a group of three people, the basic group consists of about 7 to 12 families who
select one representative to a higher (block) level. It takes about 7 levels to
get to the national assembly. They reportedly also have the following recall
system: if a family decides not to support a representative they elected from
their basic group, it is recalled from whatever higher level he/she was
promoted, and somebody else has to be chosen in his place. Equador is
said to be in the process of implementing a very similar system.The
Phoenix project site (http://www.wakingthephoenix.org) is planned to be filled
with a lot of information we heard during this meeting and a final document,
and perhaps some proposed actions. So check it out in the near future. Greetings, Mirek


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