Re: [WDDM] Regarding the social network site

[ROY DAINE <rdaine(at)btinternet.com>]

I understand the point you're trying to  make in your last paragraph Giorgio but what it would actually mean is that Georges would be forced to accept, if it turned out to be the case, that a majority disagree with him. I'm assuming that he's already aware of this.

He would not be obliged to accept that his ideas were wrong.

As a member of WDDM, he's obliged to accept the decision of a majority, if for example, the majority wishes to define DD, for it's own purposes, as flamenco dancing.

Again, he is not obliged to agree with the definition, or that DD can in fact, be defined and may still hold his own views and try to persuade a majority to them.

WDDM members could vote to stop all mention of kibbutzism and we would all be obliged to accept the decision. This would be an example of an unjust democracy and demonstrate 'tyranny of the majority'.

Democracy, direct or otherwise, does not entail telling people what they should think.

Roy

Giorgio Menon <giorgio.menon(at)pd.infn.it> wrote:

> Georges Metanomski wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/POLITICS/shadow_eng.html
> >
> >and the comments below.
> >
> >QUOTE
> >SINCERITY.
> >It is the critical condition: members must be
> >capable to conceive and accept local, i.e.
> >personal sacrifices involved by the global
> >improvement. This short phrase implies a
> >fundamental change of mentality, replacement of
> >present egoism with something similar to the
> >attitude of Israeli Kibbutzim.
> >
> Here we go again. Global improvement? Yes, Kibbutzim are exactly there
> for,
>  if Global means Israel. If global means Palestinians, then we're
> already fighting WWIII, says he.
> I've copied an old message of Georges where he claims:
>
> "Whatever services gotten, Kibbuzim contribute
> more than they get. Israeli fighter pilots and special
> units undergo the by far toughest selection in the
> world, aiming not at heroes or iron discipline, but
> at complete, sincere human beings."
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epistemology/message/2499
>
> and he specifies that:
> " By "complete, sincere human being" I understand
> somebody whose all essential faculties have been
> optimally developed and who uses them in a sincere
> optimally equilibrated way."
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/epistemology/message/2523
>
> Thanks to Georges' first hand testimony we now know that:
> 1-people living in Kibbutzim are complete, sincere human beings
> 3-all their "essential faculties" (?!?) have been optimally developped
> 2-they have little
>  ego (if any) and therefore move just for global
> improvement
>
> This is an excellent starting point, no?
> What sort of results do these "complete, sincere human beings" at times
> produce?
> Death and distruction.
> Some maths: kibbutzim (says Georges) train 90% of jetfighter pilots.
> Those pilots are to be held responsible for the distructions and deaths
> of the Lebanon war.
> Over 33 days, Israeli jets killed up to 1,200 Lebanese civilians and
> bombed houses, hospitals, ambulances, refineries, and roads.
>
> I think that, thanks to people in good faith like Georges, kibbutzim are
> a good investment for Israel and zionism. That's why they are constantly
> supported by the Israeli government. I don't deny that people in
> kibbutzim may be happy. I reject the idea that those "complete, sincere
> human beings" are committed to global improvement though. Wars are NEVER
> a global improvement, just a global impoverishment in terms of pain,
> sorrows, wealth and wellbeing. But yes, this global impoverishment
> begets huge local wealth (bankers, military industries etc...).
>
>
>
>
> >
> >DD starts by readiness of sacrifices, by applying
> >group's decisions in one's life, even if one disagrees
> >with them and had voted against.
> >
> >
> Great point. Now we could decide, as DD oriented group, if kibbutzim
> generate only "complete, sincere human beings" "whose all essential
> faculties have been optimally developed" and are committed to "global
> improvement" or they are as happy as they believe they are yet incapable
> of realizing what bombing houses, hospitals, ambulances, refineries, and
> roads and killing civilians means just like any other ordinary military
> who receives orders and accept them.
>
> We could vote to understand how many agree with Georges's opinions and
> how many disagree. If Georges loses he must adopt the group's decisions
> even if he "disagrees with them and had voted against" in order to apply
> his own definitions of DD which "starts by readiness of sacrifices".
> Shall we test our DD capabilities?
>
> Regards
>
> Giorgio



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