| From: | DAVID FRANK <davidafrank1948(at)yahoo.com> |
|---|---|
| Date: | Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:48:21 -0700 (PDT) |
| Subject: | Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD |
Jim,
I have no doubt on that the best dictatorship is worse
than the worst democracy, and have little doubt on that
the Swiss is the paragon of Democracy. Well then?
Then the problem arises, IMHO, how to improve the
Democracy we have by doing it democratically, i.e.,
from bottom-up.
ant
Jim Powell wrote:
> Hi Antonio,
>
> Compare the best dictatorship to Switzerland.
>
> Regards
>
> Jim Powell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Lalanne [moelalon2000(at)yahoo.com]
> Sent: 13 Mar 2008 02:24 PM
> To: wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
> Subject: Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD
>
> The cheepest most efficient form of government is a
> dictatorship as long as the dictator is
> benevolent....some of the best governments in the
> world are dictatorships...
>
>
> --- Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it> wrote:
>
>
>> Jim Powell ha scritto:
>>
>>> Hi Antonio,
>>>
>>> I do not agree that this will lead to
>>>
>> dictatorship.
>>
>>> We may disagree with the methods that are put
>>>
>> forward but this
>>
>>> concentrates on the differences.
>>>
>>> Mainstream communication is required.
>>>
>>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> These words of yours sound strange to a fellow -
>> like me -
>> who lived in a country ( Italy) under fascistic
>> dictatorship.
>> Maybe in your country you've got no such background.
>>
>>> The best way is to introduce "the way things work"
>>>
>> into the school
>>
>>> curriculum.
>>> This would examine the way in which decisions are
>>>
>> made.
>>
>>> The fertile mind of the child would then ask why?
>>>
>>>
>> I do not agree totally with this .
>> The best way is to introduce "the way things work"
>> into the family
>> curriculum, at the zero-to-three age, when parents
>> are still the only
>> teachers and the child is learning communicated
>> things not only, but
>> also how communication works within interpersonal
>> (within social,
>> later) relationships. There the problem is, how to
>> save children from
>> their "fertile minds" getting sterilized by family
>> dictatorship, imho.
>>
>> About this topic, if you were interested in, I have
>> some stuff at:
>>
>>
> http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/rossin08.htm
>
>> (and at .../rossin09.htm, if you were interested in
>> how differences
>> work inside mainstream communication, to wit,
>> Dialectics.)
>>
>>
>>> Simple logic would then have them realize that the
>>>
>> system is not
>>
>>> representative of the will of the people.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Jim Powell
>>>
>>>
>> See my "idea" about this point in a previous post of
>> mine.
>>
>> There I question: how does the real will of the
>> people work?
>> " - for good or bad purposes - ? "
>>
>> Which becomes, now: "with a fertile or with a
>> sterilized mind?"
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> ant
>>
>>> *From:* Antonio Rossin [rossin(at)tin.it]
>>> *Sent:* 13 Mar 2008 07:34 AM
>>> *To:* wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
>>> *Cc:* epistemology(at)yahoogroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture
>>>
>> about DD
>>
>>> Georges,
>>>
>>> The problem of (the lack of) Democracy is not that
>>>
>> of
>>
>>> communicating valuable stuff -- such as yours
>>>
>> below --
>>
>>> to people.
>>>
>>> Instead, it is about how to communicate any stuff
>>>
>> --
>>
>>> encompassing yours -- to people, so to enable them
>>> to deal with.
>>>
>>> In other words, that's not a problem of
>>>
>> communicating.
>>
>>> That's a problem of meta-communicating.
>>>
>>> If you were unable to understand the difference,
>>>
>> as you
>>
>>> seem as, you are a damage to Democracy, because
>>>
>> you
>>
>>> are leading towards (scientific) dictatorship.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> antonio
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Georges Metanomski ha scritto:
>>>
>>> --- Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan
>>> [vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com]
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I&BR is focussed on
>>>
>>>
>>> the process that would enable True Democracy
>>>
>> but it
>>
>>> does not tell us how to get there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =============
>>> G:
>>> For once a reasonable statement. It's not for us
>>>
>> to
>>
>>> discusse, let alone to dictate which forms should
>>>
>> take
>>
>>> the DD governance. Once established, it will be
>>>
>> for
>>
>>> the
>>> Forum to determine them. All we can do is to see
>>>
>> how
>>
>>> to
>>> get there. Years ago I proposed a way that I
>>>
>> called
>>
>>> "Shadow Parliament". I cannot be judge and party,
>>>
>> so
>>
>>> it should be discussed by other people.
>>>
>>> It's available in
>>>
>>>
>>>
> http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/POLITICS/shadow_eng.html
>
>>>
>>> I quote here it's conclusion:
>>>
>>> QUOTE
>>> Three issues seem essential for starting to move
>>> towards the DD:
>>>
>>> 1.Getting a Shadow Parliament within the
>>>
>> Particracy.
>>
>>>
>>> 2.Establish a logistic 3 Functions support.
>>>
>>> 3.Propound Sincerity, which appears to be the
>>> critical condition of DD. A very limited
>>>
>> experience
>>
>>> seems to point to "self applicable attitude".
>>> An example:
>>> A small forum discussed pollution and found out
>>> rightly
>>> or wrongly that the worst pollution source is the
>>> factory breeding of animals. Besides pollution it
>>> involves unacceptable suffering of animals and
>>>
>> mental
>>
>>> corruption of attendants who become potential
>>>
>> sadistic
>>
>>> Auschwitz guards. The group condemned eating meat.
>>>
>> Not
>>
>>> as a theoretical principle, but as a self applying
>>>
>>> decision and all members stopped eating meat.
>>> Another very limited and positive experience
>>>
>> consisted
>>
>>>
>>> in stages in Kibbutzim, confronting fellows with
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> sincerity of the unique ever realized genuine DD.
>>> UNQUOTE
>>> =============
>>>
>>>