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01662: Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD

From: "Annette and Martin" <ajackson123(at)bigpond.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:33:01 +1030
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD

The world has a Shadow Government and it's called the Committee of 300.
The Committee of 300 Ultimate Goal:

Is to have the Undisputed Control of the wealth, natural resources and
people power of the entire world

Empowering people and breaking down the secret networks is the key

And there are signs of people starting to rise up against this.

We are programmed from childhood

Watch this to see how they have influenced education
Illuminati: The Hidden Agenda for World Government in interview with Norman
Dodd
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-7373201783240489827&q=Illuminati%3A+The+Hidden+Agenda+for+World+Government+with+Norman+Dodd&total=3&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Somethings l question how democratic SOME people are, in WDDM, you either
support what it stands for or you don't

We have to have a sellable starting point, and the Swish System is a good
point to start, l question did the Elite play a role in establishing the
Swish System, because they knew it would deliver a good system of
government, a safe place for their banking.

Martin Jackson

----- Original Message -----
From: "Giorgio Menon" <giorgio.menon(at)pd.infn.it>
To: <wddm@world-wide-democracy.net>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD


*Charles Bukowski quotes* <http://thinkexist.com/quotes/charles_bukowski/>


“The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a
democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you
don't have to waste your time voting.”


Regards
Giorgio

Jon Lalanne wrote:

The cheepest most efficient form of government is a
dictatorship as long as the dictator is
benevolent....some of the best governments in the
world are dictatorships...


--- Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it> wrote:


Jim Powell ha scritto:

Hi Antonio,

I do not agree that this will lead to

dictatorship.

We may disagree with the methods that are put

forward but this
concentrates on the differences.

Mainstream communication is required.


Hi Jim,

These words of yours sound strange to a fellow -
like me -
who lived in a country ( Italy) under fascistic
dictatorship.
Maybe in your country you've got no such background.

The best way is to introduce “the way things work”

into the school
curriculum.
This would examine the way in which decisions are

made.

The fertile mind of the child would then ask why?


I do not agree totally with this .
The best way is to introduce "the way things work"
into the family
curriculum, at the zero-to-three age, when parents
are still the only
teachers and the child is learning communicated
things not only, but
also how communication works within interpersonal
(within social,
later) relationships. There the problem is, how to
save children from
their "fertile minds" getting sterilized by family
dictatorship, imho.

About this topic, if you were interested in, I have
some stuff at:


http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/rossin08.htm

(and at .../rossin09.htm, if you were interested in
how differences
work inside mainstream communication, to wit,
Dialectics.)


Simple logic would then have them realize that the

system is not
representative of the will of the people.

Regards

Jim Powell


See my "idea" about this point in a previous post of
mine.

There I question: how does the real will of the
people work?
" - for good or bad purposes - ? "

Which becomes, now: "with a fertile or with a
sterilized mind?"


Regards

ant

*From:* Antonio Rossin
*Sent:* 13 Mar 2008 07:34 AM
*To:* wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
*Cc:* epistemology(at)yahoogroups.com
*Subject:* Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture

about DD

Georges,

The problem of (the lack of) Democracy is not that

of

communicating valuable stuff -- such as yours

below --

to people.

Instead, it is about how to communicate any stuff

--

encompassing yours -- to people, so to enable them
to deal with.

In other words, that's not a problem of

communicating.

That's a problem of meta-communicating.

If you were unable to understand the difference,

as you

seem as, you are a damage to Democracy, because

you

are leading towards (scientific) dictatorship.


Regards,

antonio





Georges Metanomski ha scritto:

--- Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan
<vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com>

<vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com> wrote:

I&amp;BR is focussed on

the process that would enable True Democracy

but it

does not tell us how to get there.

=============
G:
For once a reasonable statement. It's not for us

to

discusse, let alone to dictate which forms should

take

the DD governance. Once established, it will be

for

the
Forum to determine them. All we can do is to see

how

to
get there. Years ago I proposed a way that I

called

"Shadow Parliament". I cannot be judge and party,

so

it should be discussed by other people.
It's available in


http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/POLITICS/shadow_eng.html

I quote here it's conclusion:
QUOTE
Three issues seem essential for starting to move
towards the DD:
1.Getting a Shadow Parliament within the

Particracy.

2.Establish a logistic 3 Functions support.
3.Propound Sincerity, which appears to be the critical condition of DD.
A very limited

experience

seems to point to "self applicable attitude". An example: A small forum
discussed pollution and found out
rightly or wrongly that the worst pollution source is the factory
breeding of animals. Besides pollution it involves unacceptable
suffering of animals and

mental

corruption of attendants who become potential

sadistic

Auschwitz guards. The group condemned eating meat.

Not

as a theoretical principle, but as a self applying

decision and all members stopped eating meat.
Another very limited and positive experience

consisted

in stages in Kibbutzim, confronting fellows with

the

sincerity of the unique ever realized genuine DD.
UNQUOTE
=============


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