Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture about DD

[Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it>]

I agree, Jon.

But WDDM does stand for Worldwide Direct Democracy Movement,
not for Wisely Domineering Dictatorship Movement, don't you?

ant



Jon Lalanne wrote:
> The cheepest most efficient form of government is a
> dictatorship as long as the dictator is
> benevolent....some of the best governments in the
> world are dictatorships...
>
>
> --- Antonio Rossin <rossin(at)tin.it> wrote:
>
>
> > Jim Powell ha scritto:
> >
> > > Hi Antonio,
> > >
> > > I do not agree that this will lead to
> > dictatorship.
> >
> > > We may disagree with the methods that are put
> > forward but this
> >
> > > concentrates on the differences.
> > >
> > > Mainstream communication is required.
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > These words of yours sound strange to a fellow -
> > like me -
> > who lived in a country ( Italy) under fascistic
> > dictatorship.
> > Maybe in your country you've got no such background.
> >
> > > The best way is to introduce “the way things work”
> > into the school
> >
> > > curriculum.
> > > This would examine the way in which decisions are
> > made.
> >
> > > The fertile mind of the child would then ask why?
> > I do not agree totally with this .
> > The best way is to introduce "the way things work"
> > into the family
> > curriculum, at the zero-to-three age, when parents
> > are still the only
> > teachers and the child is learning communicated
> > things not only, but
> > also how communication works within interpersonal
> > (within social,
> > later) relationships. There the problem is, how to
> > save children from
> > their "fertile minds" getting sterilized by family
> > dictatorship, imho.
> >
> > About this topic, if you were interested in, I have
> > some stuff at:
> http://evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com/rossin08.htm
>
> > (and at .../rossin09.htm, if you were interested in
> > how differences
> > work inside mainstream communication, to wit,
> > Dialectics.)
> >
> >
> > > Simple logic would then have them realize that the
> > system is not
> >
> > > representative of the will of the people.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Jim Powell
> > See my "idea" about this point in a previous post of
> > mine.
> >
> > There I question: how does the real will of the
> > people work?
> > " - for good or bad purposes - ? "
> >
> > Which becomes, now: "with a fertile or with a
> > sterilized mind?"
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > ant
> >
> > > *From:* Antonio Rossin
> > > *Sent:* 13 Mar 2008 07:34 AM
> > > *To:* wddm@world-wide-democracy.net
> > > *Cc:* epistemology(at)yahoogroups.com
> > > *Subject:* Re: [WDDM] Getting the whole picture
> > about DD
> >
> > > Georges,
> > >
> > > The problem of (the lack of) Democracy is not that
> > of
> >
> > > communicating valuable stuff -- such as yours
> > below --
> >
> > > to people.
> > >
> > > Instead, it is about how to communicate any stuff
> > --
> >
> > > encompassing yours -- to people, so to enable them
> > > to deal with.
> > >
> > > In other words, that's not a problem of
> > communicating.
> >
> > > That's a problem of meta-communicating.
> > >
> > > If you were unable to understand the difference,
> > as you
> >
> > > seem as, you are a damage to Democracy, because
> > you
> >
> > > are leading towards (scientific) dictatorship.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > antonio
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Georges Metanomski ha scritto:
> > >
> > > --- Vijayaraghavan Padmanabhan
> > > <vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com>
> > <vijayaraghavan.p(at)rediffmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I&amp;BR is focussed on
> > >
> > >
> > >     the process that would enable True Democracy
> > but it
> >
> > >     does not tell us how to get there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =============
> > > G:
> > > For once a reasonable statement. It's not for us
> > to
> >
> > > discusse, let alone to dictate which forms should
> > take
> >
> > > the DD governance. Once established, it will be
> > for
> >
> > > the
> > > Forum to determine them. All we can do is to see
> > how
> >
> > > to
> > > get there. Years ago I proposed a way that I
> > called
> >
> > > "Shadow Parliament". I cannot be judge and party,
> > so
> >
> > > it should be discussed by other people.
> > >
> > > It's available in
> http://findgeorges.com/ROOT/WRITINGS/POLITICS/shadow_eng.html
>
> > > I quote here it's conclusion:
> > >
> > > QUOTE
> > > Three issues seem essential for starting to move
> > > towards the DD:
> > >
> > > 1.Getting a Shadow Parliament within the
> > Particracy.
> >
> > > 2.Establish a logistic 3 Functions support.
> > >
> > > 3.Propound Sincerity, which appears to be the
> > > critical condition of DD. A very limited
> > experience
> >
> > > seems to point to "self applicable attitude".
> > > An example:
> > > A small forum discussed pollution and found out
> > > rightly
> > > or wrongly that the worst pollution source is the
> > > factory breeding of animals. Besides pollution it
> > > involves unacceptable suffering of animals and
> > mental
> >
> > > corruption of attendants who become potential
> > sadistic
> >
> > > Auschwitz guards. The group condemned eating meat.
> > Not
> >
> > > as a theoretical principle, but as a self applying
> > >
> > > decision and all members stopped eating meat.
> > > Another very limited and positive experience
> > consisted
> >
> > > in stages in Kibbutzim, confronting fellows with
> > the
> >
> > > sincerity of the unique ever realized genuine DD.
> > > UNQUOTE
> > > =============